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With the Dodgers doing squat and if the Phillies wind up with Lee and Halliday, we can rename the off-season thread, because we won't get far enough to even worry about being Phillie-proof. Getting this close only to have the McCourts shit on all of us like this hurts worse that getting hosed by FOX.
The Easternmost in Quality...the Westernmost in Flavor!!grabarkewitz:Mike Cameron signed a two year deal with the Red Sox. Hermida is back to fourth outfielder status but with Drew's health history, Hermida should get close to 500 pa's.
Cameron is who I thought the Yanks would go after - until they traded for Granderson.
And now the BoSox move on Cameron. I read one bit where the wonk expects Cameron to play LF. In Fenway - what a waste. Cameron's value is in his ability to cover lots of ground in CF, not his bat. He has good power but K's a lot - which you live with as a GG caliber CF. So, I expect to see the over-hyped Ellsbury move to LF to play the caroms.
Again, the Yanks and BoSox are obviously trying to improve their OF 'D', while not giving up too much offensively. They feel they get more value paying $10M or less for a VG defensive CF who can lead-off (Granderson) or hit with good sock in the 6th or 7th hole (Cameron), as opposed to $15M+ for a VG hitting LF who can't catch a cold.
With how much the Halos value 'D', would either Bay or Holliday be a good fit there? The Mess figure to go after one of these two, but they don't seem to value defense much - at least until Beltran breaks down again trying to field all 3 OF positions !
Every silver lining has a cloud.bigblaster:With the Dodgers doing squat and if the Phillies wind up with Lee and Halliday, we can rename the off-season thread, because we won't get far enough to even worry about being Phillie-proof. Getting this close only to have the McCourts shit on all of us like this hurts worse that getting hosed by FOX.
The combo of the Phillies going all out, while the Dodgers do squat isn't very appealing.
I still can't figure out how the Tribe felt the Phillies offer for Lee was better than what we offered, but getting Lee so cheaply would seem to have allowed the Phillies to follow up with a much bigger deal for Halladay. Even if Franko didn't have team finances in a death grip I don't know how we could outdo the Phillies in going after Halladay at this stage. The Phillies are much deeper in MLB-ready prospects, and didn't have to give up any of their top 4-5 prospects in getting Lee. It also looks like the Phillies ownership is willing to lose money in the near-term to put a winner on the field NOW.
Every silver lining has a cloud.DoppelgangBang:They are now saying that Drabek is in ...
If Happ and/or Blanton are involved, why would Philly need Seattle? Drabek, Happ and Brown would be enough, no?
I wonder if they're offloading Blanton to SEA for prospects, combining them with Drabek and just going ALL IN for next year.
Dude, barring injury and assuming they get Halladay without giving up much else than discussed, they are HANDS-DOWN favorites to win it all next year.
That lineup with a playoff rotation of Halladay, Lee, Hamels?????? GAME OVER. Wow. I hope they sent out Lee.
Now, it looks like Seattle is sending Carlos Triunfel, Michael Saunders and Aumont to the Phillies for Lee. No Mariner prospects are going to Toronto. Drabek is part of the package going to Toronto for Halladay. Phew, that was scary - Lee and Halladay, might as well print World Series tickets now.
I'll play the radio on Southern stations because Southern Belles are Hell at night...bigblaster:With the Dodgers doing squat and if the Phillies wind up with Lee and Halliday, we can rename the off-season thread, because we won't get far enough to even worry about being Phillie-proof. Getting this close only to have the McCourts shit on all of us like this hurts worse that getting hosed by FOX.
Welcome to the Dark Side, Greg. Even Fox didn't stiff us on the payroll. They just had clowns with no clue running the show. Bob Daly comes to mind real fast. Frank has good people with brains in important positions, but he listens to fools like Mannion and Ned when he should be listening to Logan White, DeJon Watson, Tim Hallgren and Kim Ng. The only reason I include Ned is that he has the look of a guy who feels that self-preservation (sucking up) is a job skill and not a personality trait.
If you want to see who is drinking the Kool-Aid, just check out the Auld Board and the poll one of the more anarchistic of their ilk has put up. Mind you, the clown who started the poll is a high level moron, but his heart is in the right place. The worst part is that there are folx over there who actually commend Frank for the job he is doing. These people should not breed.
I'll play the radio on Southern stations because Southern Belles are Hell at night...grabarkewitz:If you want to see who is drinking the Kool-Aid, just check out the Auld Board and the poll one of the more anarchistic of their ilk has put up. Mind you, the clown who started the poll is a high level moron, but his heart is in the right place. The worst part is that there are folx over there who actually commend Frank for the job he is doing. These people should not breed.
Damn you, Torgy!!!!
I just had to look.
It will take a case of Visine to get my vision back. Nothing I'll be able to do about the lost brain cells.
Poor fella, he has no ideaThe Blockbuster appears to be finalized. The Phillies have emptied their farm system save Domonic Brown as they sent Michael Taylor, Kyle Drabek and Travis d'Arnaud to the Jays for Halladay. They did get Phillippe Aumont, Tyson Gillies and Juan Ramirez to restock the farm somewhat. There is a rumor that the M's will get a prospect from the Phillies in the Cliff Lee portion of the deal.
I can see Drabek as a plus, but Taylor will have to wait out Vernon Wells for a shot and with the Jays signing just about every catcher out there, d'Arnaud is likely a few years from being a part of the Jays. I can see Aumont being the Phillies closer of the future, but that future is likely two years away. Gillies looks like a future leadoff type with great speed and a hint at the plate, but his numbers could be taken two ways as he played at one of the great hitter's parks and leagues in the game. Ramirez, a big righty from Nicaragua, could be seen a marginal prospect, but his numbers are likely tainted by pitching for High Desert in the Cal League. I think that Gillies is the key to this deal - if he can continue to produce, he will give the Phillies a great option in the outfield when Ibanez is gone.
It would appear that both the Rangers and Mariners see chinks in the Angel armor and both are going all in to win the division in '10. At least the Mariners have money to burn and a willingness to go big. The Rangers are still several months from new ownership and will be hamstrung until the sale is completed. I do expect them to be players at the deadline if Bud decides to let the new owners into his clubhouse.
I'll play the radio on Southern stations because Southern Belles are Hell at night...ocmike24:Damn you, Torgy!!!!
I just had to look.
It will take a case of Visine to get my vision back. Nothing I'll be able to do about the lost brain cells.
Yep, that was my take, also. Like I said, these people should not be allowed to breed. My personal opinion, Dodgerwood is a bigger tool than Skeptic, but that is like saying that getting kicked in the nads is less painful than getting punched there.
I'll play the radio on Southern stations because Southern Belles are Hell at night...grabarkewitz:The Blockbuster appears to be finalized. The Phillies have emptied their farm system save Domonic Brown as they sent Michael Taylor, Kyle Drabek and Travis d'Arnaud to the Jays for Halladay. They did get Phillippe Aumont, Tyson Gillies and Juan Ramirez to restock the farm somewhat. There is a rumor that the M's will get a prospect from the Phillies in the Cliff Lee portion of the deal.
I can see Drabek as a plus, but Taylor will have to wait out Vernon Wells for a shot and with the Jays signing just about every catcher out there, d'Arnaud is likely a few years from being a part of the Jays. I can see Aumont being the Phillies closer of the future, but that future is likely two years away. Gillies looks like a future leadoff type with great speed and a hint at the plate, but his numbers could be taken two ways as he played at one of the great hitter's parks and leagues in the game. Ramirez, a big righty from Nicaragua, could be seen a marginal prospect, but his numbers are likely tainted by pitching for High Desert in the Cal League. I think that Gillies is the key to this deal - if he can continue to produce, he will give the Phillies a great option in the outfield when Ibanez is gone.
It would appear that both the Rangers and Mariners see chinks in the Angel armor and both are going all in to win the division in '10. At least the Mariners have money to burn and a willingness to go big. The Rangers are still several months from new ownership and will be hamstrung until the sale is completed. I do expect them to be players at the deadline if Bud decides to let the new owners into his clubhouse.
Whatever they got in return ... the Phillies sent out a stud pitching prospect and a stud pitcher to get an older stud pitcher that might be slightly better? WOW.
WTF? And what are the Mariners thinking? They paid for 1 year of Cliff Lee? I guess they get a shot at a good start, which is unlikely, and then they can trade Cliff Lee at mid-season for a nice haul again.
The mad scientist formerly known as ngrossDoppelgangBang:Whatever they got in return ... the Phillies sent out a stud pitching prospect and a stud pitcher to get an older stud pitcher that might be slightly better? WOW.
WTF? And what are the Mariners thinking? They paid for 1 year of Cliff Lee? I guess they get a shot at a good start, which is unlikely, and then they can trade Cliff Lee at mid-season for a nice haul again.
Why do you think the Mariners won't have a good start? Felix and Lee are a killer 1-2, and they've just added Figgins to help the lineup. The Angels are appreciably worse (lost Lackey and Figgins), Oakland's out of it, and though Texas has a lot of young talent, they also just traded away their top starter.
Mike Scioscia's tragic illness - the blog! For Dodger analysis, reviews, and hilarity.The White Sox acquired Juan Pierre from the Dodgers for two minor league pitchers, according to Yahoo's Tim Brown. The Dodgers will take on roughly half of Pierre salary
Looks like everyone got thier wish..merry christmas..
azulfan4life:The White Sox acquired Juan Pierre from the Dodgers for two minor league pitchers, according to Yahoo's Tim Brown. The Dodgers will take on roughly half of Pierre salary
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Mike Scioscia's tragic illness - the blog! For Dodger analysis, reviews, and hilarity.Looks like LA frees up about 9.5 mils in the deal, right? Not that it'll matter since Deep Pockets won't spend any of it.
The Easternmost in Quality...the Westernmost in Flavor!!bigblaster:Looks like LA frees up about 9.5 mils in the deal, right? Not that it'll matter since Deep Pockets won't spend any of it.
True that! It would be grand to see the money channeled to Ben Sheets or even Eric Bedard, but I figure it is going to Assclown's lawyers.
I'll play the radio on Southern stations because Southern Belles are Hell at night...Mike Scioscias tragic illness:Why do you think the Mariners won't have a good start? Felix and Lee are a killer 1-2, and they've just added Figgins to help the lineup. The Angels are appreciably worse (lost Lackey and Figgins), Oakland's out of it, and though Texas has a lot of young talent, they also just traded away their top starter.
That is a nice 1-2 punch, I agree, but who is behind it? And who is closing? Who's in the bullpen?
Their lineup does have Ichiro and they added Chone Figgins, but they lost Beltre and need to count on Ken Griffey and Franklin Gutierrez ...
This could signal them going all in and trying to nab a few good bats on the cheap, but before that, I don't see this team doing much. They could bring up Morrow, but he's not a lock to do well in his first year ... and Clement may or may not be ready and might actually not be good. I'm just not convinced they have the horses to take on Texas (who also added Rich Harden and possibly Mike Lowell) or the Angels, who I'm sure might have a few moves up their sleeves and if not, still have a fairly decent squad.
The mad scientist formerly known as ngrossDoppelgangBang:That is a nice 1-2 punch, I agree, but who is behind it? And who is closing? Who's in the bullpen?
Their lineup does have Ichiro and they added Chone Figgins, but they lost Beltre and need to count on Ken Griffey and Franklin Gutierrez ...
This could signal them going all in and trying to nab a few good bats on the cheap, but before that, I don't see this team doing much. They could bring up Morrow, but he's not a lock to do well in his first year ... and Clement may or may not be ready and might actually not be good. I'm just not convinced they have the horses to take on Texas (who also added Rich Harden and possibly Mike Lowell) or the Angels, who I'm sure might have a few moves up their sleeves and if not, still have a fairly decent squad.
Their rotation doesn't blow. Behind Lee and King Felix, they have Ian Snell, Luke French and some very nice lefty arms in Ryan Feierabend, Ryan Rowland-Smith and Garrett Olson. Their pen doesn't blow, either. David Aardsma and Brandon Morrow are two very good arms at the back end and Mark Lowe may throw harder than either of them.
They do need another outfielder, but they have money to spend. Clement is gone, he was sent to the Pirates for Snell and Wilson. They do have holes to fill, but they look to be in as good a shape as the Angels.
I'll play the radio on Southern stations because Southern Belles are Hell at night...Well, Morrow has been OK. Aardsma is solid, but tell me that Snell and French aren't big question marks?
Who is in their lineup that we should be worried about?
I like Ichiro, but Figgins is a career 750 OPS guy at 3B ... who has zero pop and last year stole 42/59 bases for 71%.
Maybe I'm missing something, but behind those two the scariest part of their lineup is Ken Griffey (2009 OPS of 734) and Franklin Guttierez (764 last season, big year for him - still 25, though). Lopez is OK, I guess.
I guess it makes sense, because they didn't give up much and can make a run if everything falls into place ... and if not, they can unload Lee at mid-season for probably more than they gave up to get him.
I just don't think they are better than the rest of the division on paper, right now ... and they could get out the gates hot while Anaheim and Texas struggle, but I don't see it. That's all.
The mad scientist formerly known as ngrossWow! Buster Olney now saying that when the deal is done, Jays will send Michael Taylor to Oakland for 3B Brett Wallace.
Mike Scioscia's tragic illness - the blog! For Dodger analysis, reviews, and hilarity.DoppelgangBang:That is a nice 1-2 punch, I agree, but who is behind it? And who is closing? Who's in the bullpen?
Their lineup does have Ichiro and they added Chone Figgins, but they lost Beltre and need to count on Ken Griffey and Franklin Gutierrez ...
This could signal them going all in and trying to nab a few good bats on the cheap, but before that, I don't see this team doing much. They could bring up Morrow, but he's not a lock to do well in his first year ... and Clement may or may not be ready and might actually not be good. I'm just not convinced they have the horses to take on Texas (who also added Rich Harden and possibly Mike Lowell) or the Angels, who I'm sure might have a few moves up their sleeves and if not, still have a fairly decent squad.
Living in the Puget Sound and being married toa M's fan I am pretty well caught up on the M's dealings
The M's rotation will be OK ...1-5 are pretty much set: 1 & 1a are King Felix & Cliff Lee, 3 is Morrow (they sent him down to stretch out him last season and last 2-3 starts he finally showed something) 4 & 5 will be Ian Snell & Ryan Roland-Smith. Closer is David Aardsma who saved 38 games last season, the rest of the bullpen I would say is pretty good and w/ Josh Fields probably making the team it just got deeper.
Clement was traded for Snell & Jack Wilson ... I would not be shocked if the M's make a move for Jason Bay and there is still hope that they can resign Beltre, Jr. will be a PH and spot DH (he resigned knowing that would be his roll). If they do re up Beltre they would move Figgins to 2B and move Jose Lopez to 1B and sign a DH (Branyan, Nick Johnson, Vladdy maybe) .
I think they should be in the race all season and should still have the prospects and money to deal for any piece they need come July.
The story ends with me putting him in the wall!I've watched Wallace play quite a bit. Nice bat that should play well in the Phillies' yard, but he fields with a skillet. Quite the defensive downgrade from Feliz.
arbfuldodger:Living in the Puget Sound and being married toa M's fan I am pretty well caught up on the M's dealings
The M's rotation will be OK ...1-5 are pretty much set: 1 & 1a are King Felix & Cliff Lee, 3 is Morrow (they sent him down to stretch out him last season and last 2-3 starts he finally showed something) 4 & 5 will be Ian Snell & Ryan Roland-Smith. Closer is David Aardsma who saved 38 games last season, the rest of the bullpen I would say is pretty good and w/ Josh Fields probably making the team it just got deeper.
Clement was traded for Snell & Jack Wilson ... I would not be shocked if the M's make a move for Jason Bay and there is still hope that they can resign Beltre, Jr. will be a PH and spot DH (he resigned knowing that would be his roll). If they do re up Beltre they would move Figgins to 2B and move Jose Lopez to 1B and sign a DH (Branyan, Nick Johnson, Vladdy maybe) .
I think they should be in the race all season and should still have the prospects and money to deal for any piece they need come July.
Yeah, I'm with yah ... if they resign Beltre and acquire Jason Bay, then they are in good shape. Without those two in the fold, I'm not so sure. I still think it was a good move, though.
The mad scientist formerly known as ngrossLars:I've watched Wallace play quite a bit. Nice bat that should play well in the Phillies' yard, but he fields with a skillet. Quite the defensive downgrade from Feliz.
Wallace will be going to the Jays. His bat will play well there, but I see first base in his future. I kind of thought Taylor would be lost in the shuffle in Toronto. They already are loaded with outfielders and with Overbay likely on his way west (I can see either the M's, Giants or A's getting him when LaRoche and Branyan sign), Wallace is ready made for first base. Sure, the Jays will have Edwin Encarnacion and his Swiss cheese bat at third, but he is young and could hit 30+ bombs in Toronto.
I'll play the radio on Southern stations because Southern Belles are Hell at night...Taylor is a corner outfielder, so he should have been able to crack the starting line-up in either LF or RF with Wells in CF and Snider at the other corner. Lind was the DH last year. Wallace though being a switch hitter can pick up enough AB's at both 1B and 3B in 2010 while filling in for Overbay and Encarnacion to get his feet wet and then sliding over to 1B full-time in 2011 as Overbay is in the final year of his contract.
I still believe that we could have taken Seattle's place in the 3-way deal and filled the needs of the Jays/Phillies as good or better than the M's.
Would you have dealt say .... RH Josh Lindblom, CF Trayvon Robinson and RH Nathan Eovaldi for Cliff Lee, cause that is roughly the equivalent of what the M's gave up. If I remember correctly, we offered more than that for Lee at the deadline last year.
LH Cliff Lee
RH Chad Billingsley
LH Clayton Kershaw
RH Hiroki Kuroda
and with Kuroda coming off the books after the season, we "technically" had the resources to re-sign him to a new deal.
BLUEFAN:I still believe that we could have taken Seattle's place in the 3-way deal and filled the needs of the Jays/Phillies as good or better than the M's.
Would you have dealt say .... RH Josh Lindblom, CF Trayvon Robinson and RH Nathan Eovaldi for Cliff Lee, cause that is roughly the equivalent of what the M's gave up. If I remember correctly, we offered more than that for Lee at the deadline last year.
LH Cliff Lee
RH Chad Billingsley
LH Clayton Kershaw
RH Hiroki Kurodaand with Kuroda coming off the books after the season, we "technically" had the resources to re-sign him to a new deal.
Without being privvy to what real negotiations were going on, I can't see lamenting that we couldn't make the deal just because we wanted it to happen. Phillie's price to us may have been higher than it was to Seattle. If I was Amaro, considering we met Philly in the LCS the past 2 years, I wouldn't be in a hurry to make the Dodgers better in 2010.
"I know, everybody funny, now you funny too."I'm already having a nightmare in which the Mariners are out of the AL West and Wild Card races by late July, and they trade Lee to us, with them picking up the three million remaining on his salary, for Dee Gordon and Andrew Lambo. Then, we don't offer Lee arbitration before he signs a monster deal with the Yankees.
BLUEFAN:I still believe that we could have taken Seattle's place in the 3-way deal and filled the needs of the Jays/Phillies as good or better than the M's.
Would you have dealt say .... RH Josh Lindblom, CF Trayvon Robinson and RH Nathan Eovaldi for Cliff Lee, cause that is roughly the equivalent of what the M's gave up. If I remember correctly, we offered more than that for Lee at the deadline last year.
LH Cliff Lee
RH Chad Billingsley
LH Clayton Kershaw
RH Hiroki Kurodaand with Kuroda coming off the books after the season, we "technically" had the resources to re-sign him to a new deal.
That makes sense to us, but I am betting the Phillies didn't want to face Lee, next year and beyond and even with Kuroda coming off of the books, I have a scary feeling that Assclown is not going to put that money back into the franchise.
I'll play the radio on Southern stations because Southern Belles are Hell at night...Not sure who yet, but reports are saying that "someone" in the Lee/Halladay deal flunked a physical. Drabek maybe? He's had TJ surgery already.
Mike Scioscia's tragic illness - the blog! For Dodger analysis, reviews, and hilarity.Mike Scioscias tragic illness:Not sure who yet, but reports are saying that "someone" in the Lee/Halladay deal flunked a physical. Drabek maybe? He's had TJ surgery already.
I'm betting it's Aumont ...from what I've read on Lookout Landing & USSMariner he has a degenerative hip condition.
The story ends with me putting him in the wall!