The Big Blue Wrecking Crew

I think Wright would be a nice player to add (if we aren't in the mix for getting one of the FA 1B). It's going to take a lot to pry him away from the Mets. Do we have enough young talent to do so? With the Angels possibly also being a landing spot, I can't get too optimistic that we'll land him.

Vinsandlosses said:

David Wright might be on the block, for real this time.  Withrow, Martin, and Silverio for Wright?  He would come under a 1 year deal because he can void the 2013 team option if traded.  I like Wright and it looks like the Mets might be looking to move him for a fair package.

It's a deal that might make sense if the Dodgers miss out on Prince - 1 more year of Loney but Wright adds some offense.

David Wright is Mr. Right for our lineup.  He fills the gaping third base hole, and once he gets out of that Yellowstone sized park in NYC, his numbers will come back to his career norms.  I think Citi Field has messed him up and he needs to get out of there.  What could the Mets ask for, since he is on the equivalent of a one-year deal.  

SamAdams said:

Vinsandlosses said:

David Wright might be on the block, for real this time.  Withrow, Martin, and Silverio for Wright?  He would come under a 1 year deal because he can void the 2013 team option if traded.  I like Wright and it looks like the Mets might be looking to move him for a fair package.

It's a deal that might make sense if the Dodgers miss out on Prince - 1 more year of Loney but Wright adds some offense.

David Wright is Mr. Right for our lineup.  He fills the gaping third base hole, and once he gets out of that Yellowstone sized park in NYC, his numbers will come back to his career norms.  I think Citi Field has messed him up and he needs to get out of there.  What could the Mets ask for, since he is on the equivalent of a one-year deal.  

This would not be a bad offensive lineup and be strong defensively as well.

Dee-6

Ethier-9

Kemp-8

Wright-5

Loney-3

Sands/Rivera-7

Doumit/Ellis-2

Uribe-4

I like the thought ... it just depends on the price.  Supposedly the Mets want a defensive-minded CF and some young arms for him.  That doesn't sound too bad, honestly.  I gotta hope that Colletti is kicking the tires ... what would that look like from us?  Probably Trayvon Robinson and Webster ... oh wait, that's right, we traded Trayvon Robinson for FEDEX.  The Mets aren't competing anytime soon, perhaps we could convince them to take Silverio, but is his defense really a strength?  Silverio/Webster?  Would you rather have Silverio and Webster or two high draft picks?

I would love to see something more of a 3-team that looked something like this

Bos: Ethier
Mets: Middlebrooks Guerra Withrow
Dodgers: Wrght

Then you just continue on with your offseason plan as you were.

saeldway said:

I would love to see something more of a 3-team that looked something like this

Bos: Ethier
Mets: Middlebrooks Guerra Withrow
Dodgers: Wrght

Then you just continue on with your offseason plan as you were.

You'd give up Ethier, Guerra and Withrow for Wright?  That seems pretty steep, no?

DoppelgangBang said:

saeldway said:

I would love to see something more of a 3-team that looked something like this

Bos: Ethier
Mets: Middlebrooks Guerra Withrow
Dodgers: Wrght

Then you just continue on with your offseason plan as you were.

You'd give up Ethier, Guerra and Withrow for Wright?  That seems pretty steep, no?

I don't think so.  Wright is paid a couple more million than Ethier but plays a more premium position.  Guerra is at the peak of his value.  He is not worth what traditional baseball minds project upon him with that shiny save stat and Withrow is a mystery prize.  He's shown signs of turning it around the second half of this year but he's a wildcard prospect.  Put together I think it's a bit of an overpay but not as much as it sounds like.  Wright has obviously been hurt by Citi field, his OPS is down .100 since the move.  Its to the point where they're moving the fences in.  Its not like there's a shortage of outfielders in the Dodger system either.  Plus, when it feels like a bit much from your side, that's probably the right range.  So all these factors together tell me its a reasonable package.

saeldway said:

DoppelgangBang said:

saeldway said:

I would love to see something more of a 3-team that looked something like this

Bos: Ethier
Mets: Middlebrooks Guerra Withrow
Dodgers: Wrght

Then you just continue on with your offseason plan as you were.

You'd give up Ethier, Guerra and Withrow for Wright?  That seems pretty steep, no?

I don't think so.  Wright is paid a couple more million than Ethier but plays a more premium position.  Guerra is at the peak of his value.  He is not worth what traditional baseball minds project upon him with that shiny save stat and Withrow is a mystery prize.  He's shown signs of turning it around the second half of this year but he's a wildcard prospect.  Put together I think it's a bit of an overpay but not as much as it sounds like.  Wright has obviously been hurt by Citi field, his OPS is down .100 since the move.  Its to the point where they're moving the fences in.  Its not like there's a shortage of outfielders in the Dodger system either.  Plus, when it feels like a bit much from your side, that's probably the right range.  So all these factors together tell me its a reasonable package.

That makes sense.  Still, Wright's coming off of an injury-shortened season, where he OPS'd under 800.  He's also going to be a 1-year rental unless we long-term him.  If we could Middlebrooks from the sawks for Ethier straight up, I'd almost rather keep him and give him a crack at 3rd base next year.  Then you could use the $$ saved from moving Ethier to fill other holes and you'd still have Guerra.  I agree that Guerra is a sell high candidate and I wouldn't mind moving him, but let's not forget that he is a young reliever with closer potential going into his second year in the bigs under team control.  I think he and Ethier and Withrow might be too much for Wright.  It's debatable, though and I see your point.

Has anyone bothered to check the home/road splits to verify the comments being made?

GenericFan said:

Has anyone bothered to check the home/road splits to verify the comments being made?

I had a while back and if you look at Wrights away stats, especially in the NL west they were still on par. Now that's from earlier this year but that's my recollection

saeldway said:

GenericFan said:

Has anyone bothered to check the home/road splits to verify the comments being made?

I had a while back and if you look at Wrights away stats, especially in the NL west they were still on par. Now that's from earlier this year but that's my recollection

Wright's 2011: 767 home 773 away.  He did slightly better in the 2nd half, but that was because of a super hot July, followed by a tail-off in Sept/Oct.  In 2010 he had an 880 OPS at CitiField and an 834 on the road.  He also went from a 920 OPS in the first half to a 770 in the 2nd half.  Not a good sign.  He still has value, though, but just maybe not at the level of return the Mets will be looking for.

Wright is an enigma and I wouldn't even go Ethier straight up for him.

Again, Ethier's LHB is a better fit for this team.  I think we're stuck with Uribe starting at either 2B or 3B, and of course Rivera was just signed.  You can't lose BOTH Ethier and Loney to trades unless you get a lefty stick back in return for at least one of them.  Wright is simply not a good fit on this team, IMO, and his numbers aren't worth the risk.

BluePastorKyle said:

Again, Ethier's LHB is a better fit for this team.  I think we're stuck with Uribe starting at either 2B or 3B, and of course Rivera was just signed.  You can't lose BOTH Ethier and Loney to trades unless you get a lefty stick back in return for at least one of them.  Wright is simply not a good fit on this team, IMO, and his numbers aren't worth the risk.

I do like the idea of acquiring him without giving up any ML talent, but the odds are long on that one.  SamAdams lineup above is really not that bad ... but again, any chance the Mets take Silverio/Webster for Wright?  I doubt it.  Even if they did, do we have the payroll flexibility to add $15M?  If so, GIMME PRINCE.

DoppelgangBang said:

BluePastorKyle said:

Again, Ethier's LHB is a better fit for this team.  I think we're stuck with Uribe starting at either 2B or 3B, and of course Rivera was just signed.  You can't lose BOTH Ethier and Loney to trades unless you get a lefty stick back in return for at least one of them.  Wright is simply not a good fit on this team, IMO, and his numbers aren't worth the risk.

I do like the idea of acquiring him without giving up any ML talent, but the odds are long on that one.  SamAdams lineup above is really not that bad ... but again, any chance the Mets take Silverio/Webster for Wright?  I doubt it.  Even if they did, do we have the payroll flexibility to add $15M?  If so, GIMME PRINCE.

Exactly.  If I have a choice between Wright/Doumit or Prince, I think I speak for most everyone when I say give me Prince to team up with Ethier/Kemp in the middle of the lineup, with pieces around them.

BluePastorKyle said:

DoppelgangBang said:

BluePastorKyle said:

Again, Ethier's LHB is a better fit for this team.  I think we're stuck with Uribe starting at either 2B or 3B, and of course Rivera was just signed.  You can't lose BOTH Ethier and Loney to trades unless you get a lefty stick back in return for at least one of them.  Wright is simply not a good fit on this team, IMO, and his numbers aren't worth the risk.

I do like the idea of acquiring him without giving up any ML talent, but the odds are long on that one.  SamAdams lineup above is really not that bad ... but again, any chance the Mets take Silverio/Webster for Wright?  I doubt it.  Even if they did, do we have the payroll flexibility to add $15M?  If so, GIMME PRINCE.

Exactly.  If I have a choice between Wright/Doumit or Prince, I think I speak for most everyone when I say give me Prince to team up with Ethier/Kemp in the middle of the lineup, with pieces around them.

That would weigh heavily (no pun intended) on how many years and how many millions that Prince would cost.  

Problem with Wright compared to Fielder is that you have to give up players (and talented young ones at that) to acquire him. Fielder is going to cost the draft pick. Fielder is more of a sure thing stats wise (especially in the near future, IMHO). Wright is coming off a year where he missed more than a third of it (60 games). 

Check out A-Ram's home/away splits during his entire Cubs career.  No team in a pitchers park should even look at him.

I don't think Frank can get all Maverick and pull the trigger on a free agent without MLB and the court and the prospective owner agreeing. Is he really in control? Anyone know the agreement?

He is just waiting for the over bidders fear of missing out to kick in and buy him a ticket back to Mass.

I do get the sense that Kemp,Kershaw and even Gwynn playing red rover, red rover with Fielder may hint to Prince's desire to play and eat LA.

8 years is ridiculous. He's bigger than Mo Vaughn.

For some reason, I think Prince will end up with a 7 year deal somewhere.  Almost certainly, Boras will be asking for 8 year offers.  Teams might counter with 5 years and a player option.  Boras says 7 years with an opt out after year 4 (when Fielder will be Pujol's current age).  

Chin Music said:

I don't think Frank can get all Maverick and pull the trigger on a free agent without MLB and the court and the prospective owner agreeing. Is he really in control? Anyone know the agreement?

He is just waiting for the over bidders fear of missing out to kick in and buy him a ticket back to Mass.

I do get the sense that Kemp,Kershaw and even Gwynn playing red rover, red rover with Fielder may hint to Prince's desire to play and eat LA.

8 years is ridiculous. He's bigger than Mo Vaughn.

I don't know what the MLB agreement says but I'll tell you what the standard in BK court is:

Generally, you propose budgets and projections and so long as an instance comes up that is within the usual operation of the business you are allowed to engage in business tied to that.
  I'll give an example from my business.  I work with shopping centers in the BK realm.  The most basic functions in that line of business is to both run the center and sign new leases to fill tenant spaces.  To attract new tenants you have to give inducements such as free rent for a period and up-front cash in the form of tenant improvements.  Even in small spaces, tenant improvements can hit 6 figures.  If you're talking about stores the size of ross or bigger you're talking about amounts seven figures and more.  So long as those leases are generally within market standards the judge will give you latitude to create the liability without checking in with him/her.  Every judge is going to be different and usually if nobody objects a judge is going to give the debtor the benefit of the doubt.
I know some will say that there's a big difference between $500,000 in TI's to Panera Bread and $170,000,000 to Prince Fieler, but no, not really, you're talking about only a difference in magnitude.  But the direct business efforts of a MLB in the offseason is to incur liability contracts in excess of $50,000,000 every offseason.  Unless Frank tries to pass a 14-year $400,000,000 contract for Prince Fielder, he will most likely be given the latitude to operate unless there's something in the MLB settlement.

Chin Music said:

I don't think Frank can get all Maverick and pull the trigger on a free agent without MLB and the court and the prospective owner agreeing. Is he really in control? Anyone know the agreement?

He is just waiting for the over bidders fear of missing out to kick in and buy him a ticket back to Mass.

I do get the sense that Kemp,Kershaw and even Gwynn playing red rover, red rover with Fielder may hint to Prince's desire to play and eat LA.

8 years is ridiculous. He's bigger than Mo Vaughn.

The Mo Vaughn factor is what scares me about Fielder.  Vaughn looked like a cinch Hall of Famer through age 30, but then he went downhill fast.  Plus, there is the Scott Boras factor to figure into the final equation.  Somebody is going to overpay for Prince even if he doesn't fall off the cliff in the middle of his contract.

Vinsandlosses said:

Check out A-Ram's home/away splits during his entire Cubs career.  No team in a pitchers park should even look at him.

Yikes! Although, in 2011 they aren't as terrible as in previous years. That said, he made a boat load of $ last season and turned down a $16M option to explore free agency. Pass!

Not Dodger news, but the Giants made a trade.

LHP Jonathan Sanchez and minor leaguer Ryan Verdugo to the KC Royals for OF Melky Cabrera

(per MLBTR)

True2DaBlue said:

Not Dodger news, but the Giants made a trade.

LHP Jonathan Sanchez and minor leaguer Ryan Verdugo to the KC Royals for OF Melky Cabrera

(per MLBTR)

How did this organization win a World Series?

DoppelgangBang said:

True2DaBlue said:

Not Dodger news, but the Giants made a trade.

LHP Jonathan Sanchez and minor leaguer Ryan Verdugo to the KC Royals for OF Melky Cabrera

(per MLBTR)

How did this organization win a World Series?

Thank you.  Cabrera was a figment of playing in KC.  Put him in that canyon in San Francisco and he becomes a .220/.275/.340 hitter and is expensive too boot.  

Must be a SLOW news day in Dodger-land, if the leading LA Times story is a blog entry entitled: "The legend of Eugenio Velez".  If ever there was any doubt that Colletti is merely a shill "employment agency" for aging and skill-challenged former Giants, Velez is exhibits A-through-Z... seriously.  Unbelievable!  

Hey guys, long time, no post. It was a miserable year! Anyway, out here in South Dakota it's very, very rare that I can report an official Dodger rumor. My parents are friends with Jason Kubel's grandmother. He's been telling her that he doesn't expect the Twins to re-sign him and that he'd love to play for the Dodgers more than any other team. However, he doesn't believe they probably need/want him.

 

jdlsports said:

Hey guys, long time, no post. It was a miserable year! Anyway, out here in South Dakota it's very, very rare that I can report an official Dodger rumor. My parents are friends with Jason Kubel's grandmother. He's been telling her that he doesn't expect the Twins to re-sign him and that he'd love to play for the Dodgers more than any other team. However, he doesn't believe they probably need/want him.

 

Given the team finances, we could do worse than Kubel.  Names like Rowand, Cabrera, and any other ex-Giant are likely the players Ned is targeting.  

Hey guys, long time, no post. It was a miserable year! Anyway, out here in South Dakota.

 

Where are you in SD?  My family is from Huron.

It's South Dakota Day.  Burt Sugarman is on the prospective team buyer's list and his wife, Mary Hart, is from South Dakota.  In fact, she was Miss South Dakota according to here wiki profile.

GenericFan said:

jdlsports said:

Hey guys, long time, no post. It was a miserable year! Anyway, out here in South Dakota.

 

Where are you in SD?  My family is from Huron.

Keeping up on the South Dakota thing. I graduated from Dakota Wesleyan University in Mitchell.  

jdlsports said:

Hey guys, long time, no post. It was a miserable year! Anyway, out here in South Dakota it's very, very rare that I can report an official Dodger rumor. My parents are friends with Jason Kubel's grandmother. He's been telling her that he doesn't expect the Twins to re-sign him and that he'd love to play for the Dodgers more than any other team. However, he doesn't believe they probably need/want him.

 

grabarkewitz said:

Given the team finances, we could do worse than Kubel.  Names like Rowand, Cabrera, and any other ex-Giant are likely the players Ned is targeting.  

Kubel looks a lot like the lefty version of Rivera with a bit better defense.  Problem with signing Kubel - the Dodger outfield becomes Kemp, Ethier, Sands, Rivera, Kubel.  Who plays backup centerfield?  Who are the defensive replacements?.

Vinsandlosses said:

jdlsports said:

Hey guys, long time, no post. It was a miserable year! Anyway, out here in South Dakota it's very, very rare that I can report an official Dodger rumor. My parents are friends with Jason Kubel's grandmother. He's been telling her that he doesn't expect the Twins to re-sign him and that he'd love to play for the Dodgers more than any other team. However, he doesn't believe they probably need/want him.

 

grabarkewitz said:

Given the team finances, we could do worse than Kubel.  Names like Rowand, Cabrera, and any other ex-Giant are likely the players Ned is targeting.  

Kubel looks a lot like the lefty version of Rivera with a bit better defense.  Problem with signing Kubel - the Dodger outfield becomes Kemp, Ethier, Sands, Rivera, Kubel.  Who plays backup centerfield?  Who are the defensive replacements?.

I figure that Ned might look at Andres Torres in a utility role if he is non tendered by the Giants (good defense, better bat than Gwynn).  I'd be fine with this because of the strong defense.

With Rivera signed (I sigh whenever I type this), the 5th outfielder will have to be a strong defender who can replace Ethier and also play centerfield.  I'm guessing that Gwynn is tendered a contract and the outfield looks exactly like the end of last year. Boooooo!

There is the move Andre to first base thought that has been bandied about for years.  With Rivera and Sands also able to play first, it would give us room for Gwynn and utility guys like Sellers, Mitchell and Carroll.  The problem with signing Kubel is that it relegates Sands to a platoon role, at best.  But, I still think we are dealing Ethier.  It would fit Ned's history to deal a guy too late....like Dotel, Slap, etc....  

You want to move Gold Glove winning RF Andre to 1B? lol  Sarcasm present.

grabarkewitz said:

Vinsandlosses said:

jdlsports said:

Hey guys, long time, no post. It was a miserable year! Anyway, out here in South Dakota it's very, very rare that I can report an official Dodger rumor. My parents are friends with Jason Kubel's grandmother. He's been telling her that he doesn't expect the Twins to re-sign him and that he'd love to play for the Dodgers more than any other team. However, he doesn't believe they probably need/want him.

 

grabarkewitz said:

Given the team finances, we could do worse than Kubel.  Names like Rowand, Cabrera, and any other ex-Giant are likely the players Ned is targeting.  

Kubel looks a lot like the lefty version of Rivera with a bit better defense.  Problem with signing Kubel - the Dodger outfield becomes Kemp, Ethier, Sands, Rivera, Kubel.  Who plays backup centerfield?  Who are the defensive replacements?.

I figure that Ned might look at Andres Torres in a utility role if he is non tendered by the Giants (good defense, better bat than Gwynn).  I'd be fine with this because of the strong defense.

With Rivera signed (I sigh whenever I type this), the 5th outfielder will have to be a strong defender who can replace Ethier and also play centerfield.  I'm guessing that Gwynn is tendered a contract and the outfield looks exactly like the end of last year. Boooooo!

There is the move Andre to first base thought that has been bandied about for years.  With Rivera and Sands also able to play first, it would give us room for Gwynn and utility guys like Sellers, Mitchell and Carroll.  The problem with signing Kubel is that it relegates Sands to a platoon role, at best.  But, I still think we are dealing Ethier.  It would fit Ned's history to deal a guy too late....like Dotel, Slap, etc....  

Kubel would make sense if Ethier was dealt.  Sands plays right, Kemp in center, Kubel and Rivera platoon LF.  I don't think Ethier will be dealt though.  Stock is too low.  If he has another hot start to this season, I'd like to see him traded at the deadline.  That probably wouldn't happen either - if Ethier hits well to start the season Colletti will want to sign Ethier to an extension...  Oy...

True2DaBlue said:

You want to move Gold Glove winning RF Andre to 1B? lol  Sarcasm present.

I'd like to think we could get a nice return back for Ethier. Then, my mind switches on who we'll have to depend on to get us said good return and that frightens me. I can just see Ned trade him up north for Torres and Zito. Perish that thought!

I still would be intrigued with a deal to Atlanta for Prado and Jurrjens. Sign Prince.

1B-Prince

2B-Prado

SS- Dee

3B- Jazz Hands

LF-Rivera, etc

CF- Kemp

RF- Sands, etc

C- Ellis/ Fedex/ maybe a FA

SP- Kershaw, Billz, Jurrgens, Lilly, Kuroda*, 

*- according to Rosenthal, Kuroda might be willing to sign elsewhere this off-season

I like the idea of trading Ethier for Prado and Jurrjens.  And the Braves indeed did put them both on the block.  If we were able to pull that off, then signing Kubel becomes more attractive.  I don't think we need to consider Rivera a full time player, even though I'm sure that's what Ned thinks.  And I don't think we should be handing an outfield spot to Sands yet, much as I love the kid.  He may still have half a season of workleft to do before he's knighted a regular position.

An outfield mix of Kemp (CF), Kubel (RF), Rivera/Sands (LF) with one of them subbing for Loney at 1B against lefties is a very decent group.  You can throw Gwynn or Torres in there, and still have pop off the bench with one of Rivera/Sands/Kubel depending on the matchup.  Prado can also play LF.

Of course, this'll never happen, as Uncle Neddy will frustrate us all come February.  I don't even know why I get my hopes up anymore.  Can't wait till the new owner (God bless him) shows Colletti the door.

True2DaBlue said:

You want to move Gold Glove winning RF Andre to 1B? lol  Sarcasm present.

I'd like to think we could get a nice return back for Ethier. Then, my mind switches on who we'll have to depend on to get us said good return and that frightens me. I can just see Ned trade him up north for Torres and Zito. Perish that thought!

I still would be intrigued with a deal to Atlanta for Prado and Jurrjens. Sign Prince.

1B-Prince

2B-Prado

SS- Dee

3B- Jazz Hands

LF-Rivera, etc

CF- Kemp

RF- Sands, etc

C- Ellis/ Fedex/ maybe a FA

SP- Kershaw, Billz, Jurrgens, Lilly, Kuroda*, 

*- according to Rosenthal, Kuroda might be willing to sign elsewhere this off-season

Moving Ethier to first is not my idea, but something from the Torre Era.   Even Clueless Joe could see that Andre was not exactly a defensive maven in the outfield (the Gold Glove means little if only because Palmeiro got one for playing 47 games at first base back in the day) and he has taken balls at first, in warm-ups, over the past couple seasons.   I am still on board to move Ethier and I think that we are not trading low, although the move would've been better in July of '11.   Many have opined Atlanta and that idea makes sense.   The Braves see a chance to overtake the Phillies and their offense needs improvement so why not Ethier in a contract season?    

grabarkewitz said:

True2DaBlue said:

You want to move Gold Glove winning RF Andre to 1B? lol  Sarcasm present.

I'd like to think we could get a nice return back for Ethier. Then, my mind switches on who we'll have to depend on to get us said good return and that frightens me. I can just see Ned trade him up north for Torres and Zito. Perish that thought!

I still would be intrigued with a deal to Atlanta for Prado and Jurrjens. Sign Prince.

1B-Prince

2B-Prado

SS- Dee

3B- Jazz Hands

LF-Rivera, etc

CF- Kemp

RF- Sands, etc

C- Ellis/ Fedex/ maybe a FA

SP- Kershaw, Billz, Jurrgens, Lilly, Kuroda*, 

*- according to Rosenthal, Kuroda might be willing to sign elsewhere this off-season

Moving Ethier to first is not my idea, but something from the Torre Era.   Even Clueless Joe could see that Andre was not exactly a defensive maven in the outfield (the Gold Glove means little if only because Palmeiro got one for playing 47 games at first base back in the day) and he has taken balls at first, in warm-ups, over the past couple seasons.   I am still on board to move Ethier and I think that we are not trading low, although the move would've been better in July of '11.   Many have opined Atlanta and that idea makes sense.   The Braves see a chance to overtake the Phillies and their offense needs improvement so why not Ethier in a contract season?    

I doubt that Ethier alone gets us Prado and Jurrjens, but I think if we throw in a young arm, we could get the deal done.   Say something along the lines of Ethier and Withrow.   Withrow still has a fantastic arm and the Braves have always loved the hard throwers.   Like Kyle says, an outfield of Kubel, Kemp and Sands/Rivera in right makes sense and would cut some of our payroll as I expect Kubel to get something like two years, $8 million and would likely create enough salary space for Prince if we non-tender Loney and let Kuroda go back to Hiroshima.    I would be okay with a rotation of Kershaw, Jurrjens, Billz, Lilly and either Eovaldi, Eveland or taking a flyer on Harden/Bedard/Maholm.  

Still doesn't really address third base but it would make sense to keep track of the Red Sox.  They will need a pitcher and might be willing to move Youkilis or Middlebrooks.   I mean, I would be willing to move a young arm like Eovaldi to strengthen third although I think it might take more.   I just cannot get around the idea of Uribe getting more than 350 plate appearances.  

Why Torgy, have you already forgotten that we have Uribe at 3B?

Nobody else thinks that Jurrjens is way too good for the Braves to trade unless there was something seriously medically wrong with him?  Is it really just me?  That knee has caused him problems for two years now, and we all know what a leg injury can do to your mechanics, and how that can effect an arm.

It's extremely suspicious to me that they're willing to trade him.

GenericFan said:

Nobody else thinks that Jurrjens is way too good for the Braves to trade unless there was something seriously medically wrong with him?  Is it really just me?  That knee has caused him problems for two years now, and we all know what a leg injury can do to your mechanics, and how that can effect an arm.

It's extremely suspicious to me that they're willing to trade him.

I think he's damaged goods as well.  Prado's intriguing, but he finished the season with a 660 OPS.  Meh.  I saw someone post somewhere Jurjjens fastball velocity over time and at the end of last season it was way down.  BAD sign.  I want to stay away from both of em, especially not for Ethier.

DoppelgangBang said:

GenericFan said:

Nobody else thinks that Jurrjens is way too good for the Braves to trade unless there was something seriously medically wrong with him?  Is it really just me?  That knee has caused him problems for two years now, and we all know what a leg injury can do to your mechanics, and how that can effect an arm.

It's extremely suspicious to me that they're willing to trade him.

I think he's damaged goods as well.  Prado's intriguing, but he finished the season with a 660 OPS.  Meh.  I saw someone post somewhere Jurjjens fastball velocity over time and at the end of last season it was way down.  BAD sign.  I want to stay away from both of em, especially not for Ethier.

From what I have read, the Braves figure that with the young arms that they have coming up and his contract status are the reason they are thinking of trading him. I read also they are thinking of a Grienke type haul for him. If so, good luck on that.

DoppelgangBang said:

GenericFan said:

Nobody else thinks that Jurrjens is way too good for the Braves to trade unless there was something seriously medically wrong with him?  Is it really just me?  That knee has caused him problems for two years now, and we all know what a leg injury can do to your mechanics, and how that can effect an arm.

It's extremely suspicious to me that they're willing to trade him.

I think he's damaged goods as well.  Prado's intriguing, but he finished the season with a 660 OPS.  Meh.  I saw someone post somewhere Jurjjens fastball velocity over time and at the end of last season it was way down.  BAD sign.  I want to stay away from both of em, especially not for Ethier.

Conte has been fired, right? Perhaps the new staff would have more success doing a correct physical evaluation on Jurrjens, than say, Jason Schmidt. I don't recall if Garland and Padilla were required to pass physicals, but I guarantee you Atlanta would require an examination of Ethier.

jWerthfan said:

DoppelgangBang said:

GenericFan said:

Nobody else thinks that Jurrjens is way too good for the Braves to trade unless there was something seriously medically wrong with him?  Is it really just me?  That knee has caused him problems for two years now, and we all know what a leg injury can do to your mechanics, and how that can effect an arm.

It's extremely suspicious to me that they're willing to trade him.

I think he's damaged goods as well.  Prado's intriguing, but he finished the season with a 660 OPS.  Meh.  I saw someone post somewhere Jurjjens fastball velocity over time and at the end of last season it was way down.  BAD sign.  I want to stay away from both of em, especially not for Ethier.

Conte has been fired, right? Perhaps the new staff would have more success doing a correct physical evaluation on Jurrjens, than say, Jason Schmidt. I don't recall if Garland and Padilla were required to pass physicals, but I guarantee you Atlanta would require an examination of Ethier.

Conte is still with the team. He just won't be in the dugout anymore. Sue Falsone (who was with the team in the past) will be the main trainer now.

Awesome.  He gets to institute his idiotic brand of medical evaluation throughout the entire organization.   The Giants infection is growing...

Hey guys, long time, no post. It was a miserable year! Anyway, out here in South Dakota.

 

Where are you in SD?  My family is from Huron.

Yankton

Hey guys, long time, no post. It was a miserable year! Anyway, out here in South Dakota.

 

Where are you in SD?  My family is from Huron.

Keeping up on the South Dakota thing. I graduated from Dakota Wesleyan University in Mitchell.  

I think my daughter would like to go to school there.

All this talk about Jurrjens has been bothering me, too.  He's potentially a #1 starter, young, affordable, and under team control.  Why would Atlanta be looking to move him?  The answer is  either puzzling or obvious.  He's averaged only 21 starts each of the last two years, so there is some injury worries within the Braves organization.  

  Yankton

Only been fishing down there a few times.  We spend most of our time above Pierre.  One of my brothers lives just outside of Sioux Falls, in Lennox.

SamAdams said:

All this talk about Jurrjens has been bothering me, too.  He's potentially a #1 starter, young, affordable, and under team control.  Why would Atlanta be looking to move him?  The answer is  either puzzling or obvious.  He's averaged only 21 starts each of the last two years, so there is some injury worries within the Braves organization.  

Me too.  I wouldn't classify him as a number one, but he is a very good number two.  I am thinking the Braves want to improve their offense and Jurrjens is the one pitcher they can move because of a combination of youth, arbitration and still cheap enough to not have to offset some salary.  

grabarkewitz said:

SamAdams said:

All this talk about Jurrjens has been bothering me, too.  He's potentially a #1 starter, young, affordable, and under team control.  Why would Atlanta be looking to move him?  The answer is  either puzzling or obvious.  He's averaged only 21 starts each of the last two years, so there is some injury worries within the Braves organization.  

Me too.  I wouldn't classify him as a number one, but he is a very good number two.  I am thinking the Braves want to improve their offense and Jurrjens is the one pitcher they can move because of a combination of youth, arbitration and still cheap enough to not have to offset some salary.  

The knee is worrisome but he wouldn't be the first pitcher who has come back from knee issues. I am more worried if he hurt his arm because of the knee.  I would also look into how Gonzalez used him, last year.   I didn't follow Atlanta much this year and I have to wonder how many high pitch counts he had during the season.  

I had Jurrjens on my fantasy team and he was ace-like when healthy.  He was 12-3 with a 1.86 ERA through July 6.  He started sliding after that, and had a 6+ ERA in August and did not pitch in September.  He'd have to pass a very strict physical before I'd deal for him.  Still, that April-July 6 record is remarkable, but each month got progressively less stellar until he hit the skids for sure in mid-July.  He also missed the first couple of weeks of the season.