Who Stays, Who Goes, Who is 50/50
  • grabarkewitzgrabarkewitz September 2011
    Simple exercise, who do we think should be kept, sent away and the guys who are punching up their resumes.

    Keepers

    Kemp
    Kershaw
    Guerra
    Jansen
    Meep
    Ellis
    Lilly (we really can't get rid of him, his contract is a killer)
    Lindblom
    Elbert
    Eovaldi
    Sands
    Uribe (like Lilly, lousy contract)


    50/50

    Ethier (not the most popular guy in the clubhouse and is less likely to be cost effective)
    Billz
    MacDougal (he might be the veteran Ned is talking about)
    Fed Ex (likely to start 2012 in the minors)
    Sellers (will need big ST to keep roster spot)
    Carroll (could be spendy for a back up)
    Rivera (same as Carroll)
    Kuroda (might stay, might retire)
    Kuo (same as Kuroda)
    Gwynn
    Oeltjen
    Mitchell (depends on if we resign Carroll)
    Hawksworth (fell off of the cliff and is arbitration eligible)
    Guerrier (I think we can move him)

    Gone

    Loney 
    Velez
    Garland
    Padilla
    Barajas
    Blake
    Miles
    McCourt
    Troncoso

    Have at it, kids.  




  • SamAdamsSamAdams September 2011
    If Ned is still GM, I would edit your list accordingly:
    Ethier, Loney, Billingsley, Rivera, Gwynn, and Guerrier would be on the Stay list.

    I'd move Miles along with Carroll to the 50/50 list, because one or the other could be valuable as a utility player, but not both and not as an everyday player.  I'd add Barajas to the 50/50.

    Move to Gone list, FedUp to AAA, Hawksworth, and Kuo (sorry to see him go, but unless he takes a big pay cut and comes back as a free agent, his time is up.)  Add Broxton to Gone.  

    Create another category, "Long Gone" or "Goodbye and Good Riddance" for McCourt and Velez

    Most important move of the offseason, get rid of McCourt and banish him back to Choke City, Bahston!
  • jWerthfanjWerthfan September 2011
    Sure, pops. Rather than a full list, here's where I differ w/ yours:

    Loney stays. Even with a raise, his defensive value is more premium than ever thanks, to Dee.

    Rivera stays, as a decent backup to Sands and Loney, and platoon option with Ethier if he's still a Dodger, which I hope is not the case. The Dodgers did not suffer in his absence, it should be noted.

    Barajas stays. I know you can't stand 'fat Rod', but he's about league mediocre average, and he's better than FedEx, at least for now, and we're waiting for Erickson at least another year.

    Gwynn stays. Speed, defense, better than expected hitting, and very low cost = good bench value.

    Hawksworth, Kuo, and McDougal - at least two go, to make room for two of [Ames, Tolleson, and St Clair].

    Ethier and Guerra - trade 'em. Even at Ethier's lower value, these two packaged together should be able to get us a regular 3Bman who doesn't suck - ignoring for a moment, that Colletti does. Guerra's value will likely never be higher - looks like Boston could use a closer after last night.

    Carroll stays as a high dollar insurance policy against injury, and the possibility Sellers doesn't cut it.

    Uribe.- 50/50. Isn't there ANY way to lose this guy? Give him two months to show something besides total suckitude - if he doesn't cut him, eat the contract. I feel like one of the biggest reason for the Dodgers' late season surge is that Uribe did not take a single in-game swing.
  • saeldway September 2011
    As far as a list of "should be's" not "will-be's"

    Keepers


    Kemp
    Kershaw (I think he's earned non-Dotel trade status"
    Jansen
    Billz (Disagree with Grabby.  I think board members suffer from "Grass is Greener" syndrome. He will never be Sunshine.  Get over it, but that doesn't mean he is without value.)
    Meep
    Ellis
    Lilly
    (His ERA+ was a bit below career, but everything else in line. I don't think its a terrible contract, bridges the gap til Lee/Gould)
    Lindblom
    Elbert
    Eovaldi
    Sands
    Uribe
    (If not for the contract would make a decent PH bat so he stays anyways.)




    50/50
    Guerra- Should be sold off while value is astronomical and with (Tolleson/Ames/St. Clair)
    Ethier (Agree with Grabby and should be traded for young 3B/2B with pop)
    MacDougal
    (agree with Grabby)
    Fed Ex (agree with Grabby)
    Sellers (Agree)
    Carroll (Should be in keepers, but agree)
    Rivera Agree)
    Kuroda (I think he retires)
    Kuo
    (should be resigned to slightly lower contract.  won't get major bump in 2012 due to 2011)
    Gwynn-(If not for FA status, should be back.  Why do Dodgers always get the wrong Gwynn?)
    Loney- (In a perfect situation, get Fielder, Tender Loney, then trade him to loser of Fielder for useful reliever)
    Hawksworth (fell off of the
    cliff and is arbitration eligible)
    Guerrier (Agreed)
    Barajas-(I think they should offer lower contract but he should be in 50/50.  Looked like glue in the clubhouse, and performance was not abysmal for league.)


    Gone


    Loney 
    Velez (As much as I want to see the fun continue, no.)
    Garland
    Padilla
    Blake
    Miles
    McCourt
    Mitchell- Waste of space to Me
    Troncoso
    Oltjen
    Ned

  • ThrowdeuceThrowdeuce September 2011
    I'll just be happy with McCourt gone by opening day. No reason to predict ANYTHING with him still around.
  • shmolnickshmolnick September 2011
    Random thoughts on this subject:

    • If Ned doesn't pull a rabbit named Prince Fielder out of his toupee case, then Loney stays. I fully expect Loney to return, which I'm okay with if he plays next season the way he played these last couple of months. There's just too much legal insanity going on to allow for a marquee free agent signing like Fielder.
    • I'm really on the fence with Barajas. He seems like a good guy and can hit some dingers but not much else. If FedEx is not ready however, then Barajas will stay. Ned got FedEx for a reason - to be the starting catcher at some point. I won't be surprised if Barajas comes back for one more year and FedEx is the starter in 2013.
    • It would be good if Kuroda came back for another year but who knows? If he leaves, we'll need another starter. Even if he does come back, I won't be surprised if Ned spends some of Frank's creditors' money on another starter.
    • Ethier comes back and I think he should. He's a head case for sure, but let's see what he can do with a good knee. Who else will play the outfield and replace him in the lineup? Rivera? Gwynn? A warm body? I'd rather see a healthy Ethier than any other current in-house option.
    • Speaking of Gwynn and Rivera, if Sands sticks as a starter (which is my preference) then I think we only need one of the two. Can't decide which one. I just think the team looks weak with both returning and potentially starting games in the outfield. Neither guy is really that great.
    • I don't have strong feelings about bullpen changes except that Guerrier stinks, but we are stuck with him. This was a strength for the team this year and shouldn't be messed with too much.
    • Uribe will play either 3B or 2B. We're stuck with him too, so we all better hope he either bounces back or loses the starting job to somebody better. Again, who is that person? Sellers is not a starter to me, so we either need a new 3B (Blake is gone) or a new 2B. That's a significant requirement, in my opinion. Not sure who is available via free agency, but I could see Ned attempting to make a trade for a starting second or third baseman.
    • A clever trade here and there could net us a missing piece or two, but frankly I don't trust Ned to be able to do that. He is more likely to surprise us with one of his patented "I just traded
      several talented minor league players including Jerry Sands for a proven
      veteran" deals.

    I do think that in spite of all the McCourt shenanigans, this season ended on an upbeat note. So I'm actually more optimistic about the team going into this offseason than I was last season. I think if Ethier bounces back, Loney continues his current form and we get some production out of Uribe, that already gives us more offense than we had this year. I believe at least two out those three things will happen next season. Add to that Kemp, Kershaw, solid 2 and 3 starters in Billz and Lilly, a good bullpen, and the exciting twelve-year old Dee Gordon, and you've got a much more solid core team than we did going into 2011.

    Of course, I could be wrong. ;)
  • jWerthfanjWerthfan September 2011
    I just read on Dodgers.com, that Mattingly says Furcal has been discussed as a candidate for the 'open 2nd base' job, and there have been talks concerning a possible Broxton return. That's surprising.

    Donnie also says he expressed a need to improve to both Ethier and Bills, saying Ethier emotionally 'gave away' around 100 at bats this year, and Bills has been 'flatlined' for a couple of years. He also said Uribe is not guaranteed a starting position in 2012.

    Well, all right. Call 'em out right now - good job, I say.
  • ToucheTurtleToucheTurtle September 2011
    How about Ethier & Guerra to Boston for Josh Reddick & Bucholtz/Doubront?  Ethier would rake in Boston.  There's a lot of upside IMHO in Reddick.  Yeah, doubt Bos would give up either of those 2 pitchers.....

    1 more year of Barajas (any other options?) and hopefully 1 more of Kuroda until Rubby comes back or Lee/Webster are ready.
  • Vinsandlosses September 2011








    Keepers


    Kemp

    Sands (RF)


    Gwynn - Prince recruitment and an excellent bench player. Hey Donnie, he's a BENCH player.


    Gordon


    Carroll - Should start the majority of games at 2B.  What can I say, he is awesome.


    Sellers - Excellent D, versatile, good speed, bench player.  Check.


    Ellis - should start or split time.


    Barajas - 1.5 mil to split time with Ellis.




    Kershaw


    Lilly - the contract looks so bad because of the backloading and NTC - otherwise it's just the going rate.


    Billz - Good year, bad year, good year, bad year, good year?


    Hiro - for 10 mil and one last shot at a title.


    Eovaldi - as the 5th starter with a cheap swingman in the bullpen for security.




    Guerra


    Jansen


    Lindblom - for years to come.  Finally! a cheap bullpen!


    Elbert - is improving.


    Guerrier










    50/50




    Ethier - Shame the Dodgers waited this long before trading him (cough, trade deadline).  Clears money for Fielder and could still net ONE decent prospect.


    Rivera - on the cheap to platoon with Ethier, Loney, or a 1st baseman like Pena.


    MacDougal - Not good but better than Cormier…


    Kuo - 600k or gone.  It's a shame too.  Kuo was part of my favorite live Dodger experience (back to back to back against the Mets.  I was sitting in the LF bleachers)


    Oeltjen - 2012's Xavier Paul.


    Mitchell - Should be Sellers, not Mitchell.


    FedEx - AAA






    Gone




    Loney - Traded or Non-tendered.  Could probably be resigned after a contender if the Dodgers miss out on Fielder or don't get the deal they want for Pena.  Would make the Dodgers tender him if he said, "Hey Donnie, how about you teach me to play 3rd like you did."


    Uribe - Bad contract swap, maybe part of Zambrano deal.  Should not come back to the Dodgers under any circumstances.  It's better to admit mistakes and move on.  A Dodger prospect could also perform at replacement level while getting valuable experience at the same time.


    Velez


    Hawksworth - traded or non-tendered.


    Garland


    Padilla


    Blake


    Miles


    Tron 

  • Vinsandlosses September 2011
    yuck, sry about the formatting
  • I just read on Dodgers.com, that Mattingly says Furcal has been discussed as a candidate for the 'open 2nd base' job, and there have been talks concerning a possible Broxton return. That's surprising.

    Donnie also says he expressed a need to improve to both Ethier and Bills, saying Ethier emotionally 'gave away' around 100 at bats this year, and Bills has been 'flatlined' for a couple of years. He also said Uribe is not guaranteed a starting position in 2012.

    Well, all right. Call 'em out right now - good job, I say.


    Yeah, I just read that and I like it, too. Good to see Donnie Baseball be a little candid with guys like Ethier and Billz. He's absolutely right, too. The prospects of a good season will hinge on Billz and Ethier having bounceback seasons (unless one of them is dealt, of course).


    My feel on Mattingly is that he may be a little too laid back, so it encourages me when I read these types of stories that he talks to players about improving.


    I certainly feel like he has the respect of the players. I also want to see him be a little more assertive and try and coax more out of certain guys who may need a little more butt kicking.

  • doctyperdoctyper October 2011
    Nice interactive poll on espn.com: http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/polls?id=7052899
  • SamAdamsSamAdams October 2011
    doctyper said:

    Nice interactive poll on espn.com: http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/polls?id=7052899



    Thanks for the link.  Good stuff.

    Trash Him Leader in a landslide is Frankrupt McBroke.  99% say Get Rid of Him.  I'm thinking this poll has an error factor of 1%!  
    Second is Juan Urine at 78% Trash,
    :)
  • minndodger October 2011
    SamAdams said:

    doctyper said:

    Nice interactive poll on espn.com: http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/polls?id=7052899



    Thanks for the link.  Good stuff.

    Trash Him Leader in a landslide is Frankrupt McBroke.  99% say Get Rid of Him.  I'm thinking this poll has an error factor of 1%!  
    Second is Juan Urine at 78% Trash,
    :)


    Kemp and Clayton are both at 99%.  I am assuming it is the same guy who voted to keep McCourt. 
  • DoppelgangBangDoppelgangBang October 2011
    How are 51% of the public voting to KEEP Ned????  Amazing.
  • minndodger October 2011

    How are 51% of the public voting to KEEP Ned????  Amazing.



    There are a lot of people in San Francisco, Denver, San Diego and Phoenix.
  • SamAdamsSamAdams October 2011

    How are 51% of the public voting to KEEP Ned????  Amazing.



    There are a lot of people in San Francisco, Denver, San Diego and Phoenix.



    =D>
  • grabarkewitzgrabarkewitz October 2011

    How are 51% of the public voting to KEEP Ned????  Amazing.



    There are a lot of people in San Francisco, Denver, San Diego and Phoenix.


    .....and anyone Ned has made a trade with over the past few years.  
  • BluePastorKyleBluePastorKyle October 2011
    Tony Jackson's "Take 'em or Trash 'em" blog has one price piece: There have been over 3,000 votes on whether or not to "take/trash" McCourt: 99% to 1% trash.  99 to 1!!! That's incredibly high for a poll like this.  But even still, who are the idiots in the 1%?  I'm guessing his lawyers are reading the blogs too, eh?
  • grabarkewitzgrabarkewitz October 2011

    Tony Jackson's "Take 'em or Trash 'em" blog has one price piece: There have been over 3,000 votes on whether or not to "take/trash" McCourt: 99% to 1% trash.  99 to 1!!! That's incredibly high for a poll like this.  But even still, who are the idiots in the 1%?  I'm guessing his lawyers are reading the blogs too, eh?



    I am going with Frank, his kids and any family member he owes money to. 

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