The Big Blue Wrecking Crew

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Matthew:

Can anyone remember a Lakers team that has collectively been such a sack of pussies, like this one?
Too much Euro Trash.

(Disclaimer: No offense intended to any euro trash actually reading this)

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ocmike24:

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Matthew:

Can anyone remember a Lakers team that has collectively been such a sack of pussies, like this one?
Too much Euro Trash.

(Disclaimer: No offense intended to any euro trash actually reading this)

You took the words right out of my mouth, verbatim, Mike.

And, for the record, Kobe Bryant is one of the dumbest greats ever. They are able to get the opposition into the penalty early on in the quarter and he's hanging around the three point line taking contested shots? Freaking idiot!

Just keep chucking up three pointers. Why the hell not?

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Matthew:

Can anyone remember a Lakers team that has collectively been such a sack of pussies, like this one?

The '84 Laker team was sackless. We all remember the McHale clothesline, and Rambis (or anyone else, for that matter) did nothing about it. They also lost that series in 7, and it turned on that play. The next year, if I'm not mistaken, Riley told them that they were going to be tougher than everybody else and brought in a couple enforcers (i.e. Kupchak). That's what we need...somebody like James Posey. I hate that guy...but that's his purpose! We need someone who can frustrate everyone else on the other team.

OC- why on earth would they need to trade Kobe? Because those 'trade a superstar' deals work out real well in the NBA? Name one that brought back anything near a comparable return. We got raped with Shaq. Iverson, McGrady, Garnett, Allen...it can't be done. The Lakers should keep the best player on the planet, even if he's a total pain in the rear.

God is a Gasol a fucking pussy. Put in Mihm, at least he'll give an effort.

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jpldodger:

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Matthew:

Can anyone remember a Lakers team that has collectively been such a sack of pussies, like this one?

The '84 Laker team was sackless. We all remember the McHale clothesline, and Rambis (or anyone else, for that matter) did nothing about it. They also lost that series in 7, and it turned on that play. The next year, if I'm not mistaken, Riley told them that they were going to be tougher than everybody else and brought in a couple enforcers (i.e. Kupchak). That's what we need...somebody like James Posey. I hate that guy...but that's his purpose! We need someone who can frustrate everyone else on the other team.

OC- why on earth would they need to trade Kobe? Because those 'trade a superstar' deals work out real well in the NBA? Name one that brought back anything near a comparable return. We got raped with Shaq. Iverson, McGrady, Garnett, Allen...it can't be done. The Lakers should keep the best player on the planet, even if he's a total pain in the rear.
Which planet is that? I've always been a huge Kobe defender, but this entire debacle has shown me that he is unbelievably one dimensional. When the likes of that fat ass gangbanger from the 'Wood chews your ass like a piece of beef jerky, you know somethings wrong.

If with sign and trades and a FA signing, you could swap Kobe for Davis and Arenas, would you do it?

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jpldodger:

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Matthew:

Can anyone remember a Lakers team that has collectively been such a sack of pussies, like this one?

The '84 Laker team was sackless. We all remember the McHale clothesline, and Rambis (or anyone else, for that matter) did nothing about it. They also lost that series in 7, and it turned on that play. The next year, if I'm not mistaken, Riley told them that they were going to be tougher than everybody else and brought in a couple enforcers (i.e. Kupchak). That's what we need...somebody like James Posey. I hate that guy...but that's his purpose! We need someone who can frustrate everyone else on the other team.

OC- why on earth would they need to trade Kobe? Because those 'trade a superstar' deals work out real well in the NBA? Name one that brought back anything near a comparable return. We got raped with Shaq. Iverson, McGrady, Garnett, Allen...it can't be done. The Lakers should keep the best player on the planet, even if he's a total pain in the rear.
And I completely agree with you about the enforcer type. I've always thought the 12th guy on the bench should be a goon a la the NHL. Make a deal with the guy that he has a job for life if you have to send him in to kil someone.

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ocmike24:

God is a Gasol a fucking pussy. Put in Mihm, at least he'll give an effort.

I swear, this guy is so ready for a sex change. I have never seen anyone that soft, in my life.

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jpldodger:

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Matthew:

Can anyone remember a Lakers team that has collectively been such a sack of pussies, like this one?

The '84 Laker team was sackless. We all remember the McHale clothesline, and Rambis (or anyone else, for that matter) did nothing about it. They also lost that series in 7, and it turned on that play. The next year, if I'm not mistaken, Riley told them that they were going to be tougher than everybody else and brought in a couple enforcers (i.e. Kupchak). That's what we need...somebody like James Posey. I hate that guy...but that's his purpose! We need someone who can frustrate everyone else on the other team.

OC- why on earth would they need to trade Kobe? Because those 'trade a superstar' deals work out real well in the NBA? Name one that brought back anything near a comparable return. We got raped with Shaq. Iverson, McGrady, Garnett, Allen...it can't be done. The Lakers should keep the best player on the planet, even if he's a total pain in the rear.
Mostly just venting, as well. Probably because I can't fathom Kobe laying such an absolute egg when he had his chance to put his mark on the league.

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ocmike24:

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jpldodger:

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Matthew:

Can anyone remember a Lakers team that has collectively been such a sack of pussies, like this one?

The '84 Laker team was sackless. We all remember the McHale clothesline, and Rambis (or anyone else, for that matter) did nothing about it. They also lost that series in 7, and it turned on that play. The next year, if I'm not mistaken, Riley told them that they were going to be tougher than everybody else and brought in a couple enforcers (i.e. Kupchak). That's what we need...somebody like James Posey. I hate that guy...but that's his purpose! We need someone who can frustrate everyone else on the other team.

OC- why on earth would they need to trade Kobe? Because those 'trade a superstar' deals work out real well in the NBA? Name one that brought back anything near a comparable return. We got raped with Shaq. Iverson, McGrady, Garnett, Allen...it can't be done. The Lakers should keep the best player on the planet, even if he's a total pain in the rear.
Which planet is that? I've always been a huge Kobe defender, but this entire debacle has shown me that he is unbelievably one dimensional. When the likes of that fat ass gangbanger from the 'Wood chews your ass like a piece of beef jerky, you know somethings wrong.

If with sign and trades and a FA signing, you could swap Kobe for Davis and Arenas, would you do it?

Trading Kobe to GS for Baron and then signing Arenas? The salary cap wouldn't allow it. There isn't a player in the league (besides LeBron) that I'd trade Kobe straight-up for. I'm not a huge Kobe fan, but the fact remains that he prepares harder than anyone & will age well because of it, he's the best offensive player in the NBA according to every player I've heard interviewed, and coaches obviously recognize that he can play a little defense (by electing him to All-NBA 1st team D- even though he didn't deserve it). There is no substitute.

The player that needs to go is Lamar. He's too inconsistent and Kobe should play the wing when Gasol shifts to the 4 to accomodate Bynum at the 5. We need a shooter (i.e. Michael Redd).

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jpldodger:

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ocmike24:

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jpldodger:

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Matthew:

Can anyone remember a Lakers team that has collectively been such a sack of pussies, like this one?

The '84 Laker team was sackless. We all remember the McHale clothesline, and Rambis (or anyone else, for that matter) did nothing about it. They also lost that series in 7, and it turned on that play. The next year, if I'm not mistaken, Riley told them that they were going to be tougher than everybody else and brought in a couple enforcers (i.e. Kupchak). That's what we need...somebody like James Posey. I hate that guy...but that's his purpose! We need someone who can frustrate everyone else on the other team.

OC- why on earth would they need to trade Kobe? Because those 'trade a superstar' deals work out real well in the NBA? Name one that brought back anything near a comparable return. We got raped with Shaq. Iverson, McGrady, Garnett, Allen...it can't be done. The Lakers should keep the best player on the planet, even if he's a total pain in the rear.
Which planet is that? I've always been a huge Kobe defender, but this entire debacle has shown me that he is unbelievably one dimensional. When the likes of that fat ass gangbanger from the 'Wood chews your ass like a piece of beef jerky, you know somethings wrong.

If with sign and trades and a FA signing, you could swap Kobe for Davis and Arenas, would you do it?

Trading Kobe to GS for Baron and then signing Arenas? The salary cap wouldn't allow it. There isn't a player in the league (besides LeBron) that I'd trade Kobe straight-up for. I'm not a huge Kobe fan, but the fact remains that he prepares harder than anyone & will age well because of it, he's the best offensive player in the NBA according to every player I've heard interviewed, and coaches obviously recognize that he can play a little defense (by electing him to All-NBA 1st team D- even though he didn't deserve it). There is no substitute.

The player that needs to go is Lamar. He's too inconsistent and Kobe should play the wing when Gasol shifts to the 4 to accomodate Bynum at the 5. We need a shooter (i.e. Michael Redd).
It's quite clear that the "dreaded" Bynum-Gasol-Odumb front line would never work. None of them can shoot outside of ten feet. I could see moving Kobe to the wing in that scenario.

What is it with Lakers helping Celtics up off the floor after a hard foul? It's driving me nuts! They don't help their own players up when they go down, but they help the opposing team? No heart. Pau is going to feel what it's like to be ripped in LA (since he's been praised ever since he got here) for an entire summer about how soft he is!

The one thing I disagree with, regarding Gasol, is that he should move to the 4 spot next year. I think he would greatly benefit if he were moved to his more natural position...

I'm sure there are a lot of women who are tougher then most "guys". So, I think because some of the lakers are "soft" it's a bit shallow to make references to them being females, IMO.

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ocmike24:

What a pathetic "performance" all around.

I've said it on several occasions this week (maybe not here), but if, and I know that's a BIG if, Bynum is proven to be 100%, then Kobe needs to be traded.

Actually, Gasol is the player that is most disappointing to me tonight. Complete lack of hustle.

Totally agree, Gasol is as soft as they come. I want him out of here and he can take Radmanavic, Vujacic and Walton with him. We need more toughness.

Great comments here, I agree; Bynum, Gasol, Odom is NOT a good front line. Odom for Redd would be a great move if we can't do a Gasol for B.Davis deal.

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ocmike24:

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Matthew:

Can anyone remember a Lakers team that has collectively been such a sack of pussies, like this one?
Too much Euro Trash.

(Disclaimer: No offense intended to any euro trash actually reading this)

Not offened at all, our guys look like pansy soccer players going up against aggressive guys with heart. This team has disappointed me beyond belief this series.

If the Lakers had any balls, the SECOND one of these asshole Celtics cast up a 3 in the last 7 or 8 minutes of a 30 point game, would have been the time one of them was heading to the hospital.

I hope someone has a long memory and breaks Ray Allen's fucking neck next year.

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SVbeagador:

I'm sure there are a lot of women who are tougher then most "guys". So, I think because some of the lakers are "soft" it's a bit shallow to make references to them being females, IMO.
Pussies, girls, women, fucking babies. Whatever.

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SVbeagador:

I'm sure there are a lot of women who are tougher then most "guys". So, I think because some of the lakers are "soft" it's a bit shallow to make references to them being females, IMO.

Oh God, don't take it so literally.

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ocmike24:

If the Lakers had any balls, the SECOND one of these asshole Celtics cast up a 3 in the last 7 or 8 minutes of a 30 point game, would have been the time one of them was heading to the hospital.

I hope someone has a long memory and breaks Ray Allen's fucking neck next year.

That's why we need some Charles Oakley types on this team, at least ONE guy who won't put up with this garbage. Slam Rondo to the ground when he drives, get in Garnett's face, bark at Posey for fouling after the whistle, instead we've got soccer style euro pussies with no fight in them. F'n losers.

Well, I am disappointed with the Lakers' performance at the end, but think about it, guys. This team, at the start of the year, had no right to even think about the finals and yet they made it to the finals. This team, in October, was an unhappy Kobe and some very average complimentary parts. I expected 48-50 wins if everything went well. No way did I, or I suspect most, figured they would get past the first round of the playoffs, much less the finals. Yeah, they tanked, but the team we have now is much better than the team we had in October and I suspect the team we will have next October will be much better than this team.

I don't see much reason in trading Odom or Gasol, they are two of the big reasons this team went this far and if they weren't ready for the Celtics and their veteran team, so be it. They will have many more opportunities to get the hardware, while the Celts could very likely be one and done. The Celtics knew they would be in the finals when they put this team together. The Lakers had little reason to actually even ponder that thought.

Yeah, there is little joy in taking second, but let's at least take some happiness in the fact that our team is back where it belongs. Among the best two teams in the game, by next year, they will be the best.

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grabarkewitz:

Well, I am disappointed with the Lakers' performance at the end, but think about it, guys. This team, at the start of the year, had no right to even think about the finals and yet they made it to the finals. This team, in October, was an unhappy Kobe and some very average complimentary parts. I expected 48-50 wins if everything went well. No way did I, or I suspect most, figured they would get past the first round of the playoffs, much less the finals. Yeah, they tanked, but the team we have now is much better than the team we had in October and I suspect the team we will have next October will be much better than this team.

I don't see much reason in trading Odom or Gasol, they are two of the big reasons this team went this far and if they weren't ready for the Celtics and their veteran team, so be it. They will have many more opportunities to get the hardware, while the Celts could very likely be one and done. The Celtics knew they would be in the finals when they put this team together. The Lakers had little reason to actually even ponder that thought.

Yeah, there is little joy in taking second, but let's at least take some happiness in the fact that our team is back where it belongs. Among the best two teams in the game, by next year, they will be the best.

I would have to believe that many of us hard core Laker fans are a bit over emotional and disappointed at this hour.

I agree with most of what you said. We all learn from our mistakes and this organization has taken giant steps forward. I am expectant that the Lake Show will have Bynum and Gasol playing with KB over the next two years and will grow to win the big trophy.

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TBoneShelby:

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Brookster:

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ocmike24:

What a pathetic "performance" all around.

I've said it on several occasions this week (maybe not here), but if, and I know that's a BIG if, Bynum is proven to be 100%, then Kobe needs to be traded.

Actually, Gasol is the player that is most disappointing to me tonight. Complete lack of hustle.

Totally agree, Gasol is as soft as they come. I want him out of here and he can take Radmanavic, Vujacic and Walton with him. We need more toughness.

Talking about getting rid of Gasol is just silly. Look at the big picture and then look forward to the bigger picture. I'm sure he will hear the "soft" adjective all summer. I would not be so quick to discount Gasol and Bynum as your front court over the next two years.

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ocmike24:

If the Lakers had any balls, the SECOND one of these asshole Celtics cast up a 3 in the last 7 or 8 minutes of a 30 point game, would have been the time one of them was heading to the hospital.

I hope someone has a long memory and breaks Ray Allen's fucking neck next year.

Kup and Rambo need to put an enforcer on this roster in 2009. Doesn't Mahorn have a son of that vintage by now?

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ocmike24:

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SVbeagador:

I'm sure there are a lot of women who are tougher then most "guys". So, I think because some of the lakers are "soft" it's a bit shallow to make references to them being females, IMO.
Pussies, girls, women, fucking babies. Whatever.

Babies is better, . . .. I'm not sure what to call Gasol and Odom for being soft. I just think it's not entirely correct to label them something that relates to females. [I guess I'm also somewhat annoyed with the loss so likely just speaking out of my butt]

The Lakers played soft. They played without heart.

I do think having Bynum would make a big difference, but he to has to be more aggressive. He got pushed around at times when he was healthy.

The Lakers made it far. They made it further than any other team not named the Celtics. They were two games away from the championship (who would have really thought that one year ago). They have some very good young players.

Gasol has to hit the weight room.

Kobe has to learn to be more of a leader. MJ would have willed his team to play hard and fight for the title. Losing by 39 points and blowing a 24 point lead, reflects bad on the leadership (Kobe and PJ).

Bynum -hopefully gets healthy.

We need an artest type player. Hopefully artest, if not maybe Posey. We need someone that can play D at the three spot.

I think Odom has to go. He is too inconsistent. If we can acquire a good player in return, we have to consider moving him.

Other than that, we just have to hope the players grow from the defeat and learn from it. With improvement from Ariza and Farmer, we should have a solid sporting cast.

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SVbeagador:

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ocmike24:

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SVbeagador:

I'm sure there are a lot of women who are tougher then most "guys". So, I think because some of the lakers are "soft" it's a bit shallow to make references to them being females, IMO.
Pussies, girls, women, fucking babies. Whatever.

Babies is better, but constant comments about "pussies" and "women" etc. are just wrong IMO. I'm not sure what to call Gasol and Odom for being soft. I just think it's wrong to label them something that relates to females. It reflects poorly on those who make such comments and on those you are not willing to speak up against them, IMO.

The Lakers played soft. They played without heart.
Well, won't I just go sit under a tree and pout because it "reflects poorly on me".

Frankly, Tim, I don't give a rat's ass how it reflects on me.

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ocmike24:

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SVbeagador:

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ocmike24:

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SVbeagador:

I'm sure there are a lot of women who are tougher then most "guys". So, I think because some of the lakers are "soft" it's a bit shallow to make references to them being females, IMO.
Pussies, girls, women, fucking babies. Whatever.

Babies is better, but constant comments about "pussies" and "women" etc. are just wrong IMO. I'm not sure what to call Gasol and Odom for being soft. I just think it's wrong to label them something that relates to females. It reflects poorly on those who make such comments and on those you are not willing to speak up against them, IMO.

The Lakers played soft. They played without heart.
Well, won't I just go sit under a tree and pout because it "reflects poorly on me".

Frankly, Tim, I don't give a rat's ass how it reflects on me.

Good for you.

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SVbeagador:

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ocmike24:

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SVbeagador:

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ocmike24:

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SVbeagador:

I'm sure there are a lot of women who are tougher then most "guys". So, I think because some of the lakers are "soft" it's a bit shallow to make references to them being females, IMO.
Pussies, girls, women, fucking babies. Whatever.

Babies is better, but constant comments about "pussies" and "women" etc. are just wrong IMO. I'm not sure what to call Gasol and Odom for being soft. I just think it's wrong to label them something that relates to females. It reflects poorly on those who make such comments and on those you are not willing to speak up against them, IMO.

The Lakers played soft. They played without heart.
Well, won't I just go sit under a tree and pout because it "reflects poorly on me".

Frankly, Tim, I don't give a rat's ass how it reflects on me.

Good for you.
Damn skippy.

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SVbeagador:

I do think having Bynum would make a big difference, but he to has to be more aggressive. He got pushed around at times when he was healthy.

The Lakers made it far. They made it further than any other team not named the Celtics. They were two games away from the championship (who would have really thought that one year ago). They have some very good young players.

Gasol has to hit the weight room.

Kobe has to learn to be more of a leader. MJ would have willed his team to play hard and fight for the title. Losing by 39 points and blowing a 24 point lead, reflects bad on the leadership (Kobe and PJ).

Bynum -hopefully gets healthy.

We need an artest type player. Hopefully artest, if not maybe Posey. We need someone that can play D at the three spot.

I think Odom has to go. He is too inconsistent. If we can acquire a good player in return, we have to consider moving him.

Other than that, we just have to hope the players grow from the defeat and learn from it. With improvement from Ariza and Farmer, we should have a solid sporting cast.

But Bynum is young and will only get better, stronger and smarter as his career progresses.

It was a great progression for the Lakers this season. They will have that awful taste in their gut all summer and will come back next season with Phil's guidance with a major chip on their shoulder. They were embarassed which will add to Phil's psychology in '09.

Kobe did not play as smart during this series as most of us thought. He is not MJ he is Kobe and I would not trade him for any other player in this league. I will give Kobe 2009 to correct what just happened in the finals vs. the Celtics.

Gasol is not stupid. He knows he was beat up American style in the finals and will learn from this series. He is a great player that helped get the Lakers to finals. We would have not made it to that point without him.

Odom is the odd man out with Bynum and Gasol in the front court next year. We need a shooter and a defensive enforcer to compliment Fisher/Farmar, KB, Gasol and Bynum.

I just hope Bynum is completely healthy. I'd be lyin' if I told you I haven't had visions of Sam Bowie.

Agree on just about all of your points above, Ace. Especially the enforcer/rebounder part.

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1965ace:

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SVbeagador:

I do think having Bynum would make a big difference, but he to has to be more aggressive. He got pushed around at times when he was healthy.

The Lakers made it far. They made it further than any other team not named the Celtics. They were two games away from the championship (who would have really thought that one year ago). They have some very good young players.

Gasol has to hit the weight room.

Kobe has to learn to be more of a leader. MJ would have willed his team to play hard and fight for the title. Losing by 39 points and blowing a 24 point lead, reflects bad on the leadership (Kobe and PJ).

Bynum -hopefully gets healthy.

We need an artest type player. Hopefully artest, if not maybe Posey. We need someone that can play D at the three spot.

I think Odom has to go. He is too inconsistent. If we can acquire a good player in return, we have to consider moving him.

Other than that, we just have to hope the players grow from the defeat and learn from it. With improvement from Ariza and Farmer, we should have a solid sporting cast.

But Bynum is young and will only get better, stronger and smarter as his career progresses.

It was a great progression for the Lakers this season. They will have that awful taste in their gut all summer and will come back next season with Phil's guidance with a major chip on their shoulder. They were embarassed which will add to Phil's psychology in '09.

Kobe did not play as smart during this series as most of us thought. He is not MJ he is Kobe and I would not trade him for any other player in this league. I will give Kobe 2009 to correct what just happened in the finals vs. the Celtics.

Gasol is not stupid. He knows he was beat up American style in the finals and will learn from this series. He is a great player that helped get the Lakers to finals. We would have not made it to that point without him.

Odom is the odd man out with Bynum and Gasol in the front court next year. We need a shooter and a defensive enforcer to compliment Fisher/Farmar, KB, Gasol and Bynum.

I do think Bynum, if healthy, will continue to get better. If somehow we can get Artest:

Fisher, Kobe, Artest, Gasol, Bynum, with a bench of: Farmer, Ariza, then may need some help here. Ronny was not all that impressive in the playoffs. For a guy that is suppose to play with energy and hustle, he sure had trouble with rebounds.

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ocmike24:

I just hope Bynum is completely healthy. I'd be lyin' if I told you I haven't had visions of Sam Bowie.

Agree on just about all of your points above, Ace. Especially the enforcer/rebounder part.

If Bynum does not come around 100% healthy in October then we can think negative. Considering the fact that I am a Dodger fan can't I think positive about some real athletes?

I'm gonna break with consensus and say that the Lakers DESERVED all the threes being rained down on them, for the way they just rolled over and died. If I were Ray Allen, I'd do it too.

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1965ace:

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ocmike24:

I just hope Bynum is completely healthy. I'd be lyin' if I told you I haven't had visions of Sam Bowie.

Agree on just about all of your points above, Ace. Especially the enforcer/rebounder part.

If Bynum does not come around 100% healthy in October then we can think negative. Considering the fact that I am a Dodger fan can't I think positive about some real athletes?
Touche. One of the best lines of the year.

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Jeff726:

I'm gonna break with consensus and say that the Lakers DESERVED all the threes being rained down on them, for the way they just rolled over and died. If I were Ray Allen, I'd do it too.

I think that is what the consensus is or should be. They played horrible and deserved to lose, big time.

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SVbeagador:

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Jeff726:

I'm gonna break with consensus and say that the Lakers DESERVED all the threes being rained down on them, for the way they just rolled over and died. If I were Ray Allen, I'd do it too.

I think that is what the consensus is or should be. They played horrible and deserved to lose, big time.

Deserved? Yes. Classless? Absolutely! That punk Eddie House tossing up 3's with less than 2 min to play...gimme a break. If they can dump gatorade on their coach with 3 minutes to play, they have no business embarassing the other team any further. There is NO class in that, and I'd feel that way if the scenario was reversed. Alley-opps when you're up by 35 and time winding down? Come on...you either don't mind a lack of class or you don't understand that the Celtic players were proverbially spitting in the Laker players' faces.

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jpldodger:

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SVbeagador:

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Jeff726:

I'm gonna break with consensus and say that the Lakers DESERVED all the threes being rained down on them, for the way they just rolled over and died. If I were Ray Allen, I'd do it too.

I think that is what the consensus is or should be. They played horrible and deserved to lose, big time.

Deserved? Yes. Classless? Absolutely! That punk Eddie House tossing up 3's with less than 2 min to play...gimme a break. If they can dump gatorade on their coach with 3 minutes to play, they have no business embarassing the other team any further. There is NO class in that, and I'd feel that way if the scenario was reversed. Alley-opps when you're up by 35 and time winding down? Come on...you either don't mind a lack of class or you don't understand that the Celtic players were proverbially spitting in the Laker players' faces.

Like Sasha shooting a three. Lakers played horrible and it's their own fault they are down by 35. Maybe, teach them to play a little harder.

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SVbeagador:

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jpldodger:

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SVbeagador:

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Jeff726:

I'm gonna break with consensus and say that the Lakers DESERVED all the threes being rained down on them, for the way they just rolled over and died. If I were Ray Allen, I'd do it too.

I think that is what the consensus is or should be. They played horrible and deserved to lose, big time.

Deserved? Yes. Classless? Absolutely! That punk Eddie House tossing up 3's with less than 2 min to play...gimme a break. If they can dump gatorade on their coach with 3 minutes to play, they have no business embarassing the other team any further. There is NO class in that, and I'd feel that way if the scenario was reversed. Alley-opps when you're up by 35 and time winding down? Come on...you either don't mind a lack of class or you don't understand that the Celtic players were proverbially spitting in the Laker players' faces.

Like Sasha shooting a three. Lakers played horrible and it's their own fault they are down by 35. Maybe, teach them to play a little harder.
Sasha shot ONE 3, at the buzzer. The A-Hole Celtics shot at least 10 after they were up by 30. If you want to be contrarian and think that's perfectly OK, go right ahead. I think it's total bullshit and someone (including that punkass Doc) should have been coldcocked. Rick Fox would have done it. He said so on the post game show.

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I'm gonna break with consensus and say that the Lakers DESERVED all the threes being rained down on them, for the way they just rolled over and died. If I were Ray Allen, I'd do it too.

I think that is what the consensus is or should be. They played horrible and deserved to lose, big time.

Deserved? Yes. Classless? Absolutely! That punk Eddie House tossing up 3's with less than 2 min to play...gimme a break. If they can dump gatorade on their coach with 3 minutes to play, they have no business embarassing the other team any further. There is NO class in that, and I'd feel that way if the scenario was reversed. Alley-opps when you're up by 35 and time winding down? Come on...you either don't mind a lack of class or you don't understand that the Celtic players were proverbially spitting in the Laker players' faces.

Like Sasha shooting a three. Lakers played horrible and it's their own fault they are down by 35. Maybe, teach them to play a little harder.
Sasha shot ONE 3, at the buzzer. The A-Hole Celtics shot at least 10 after they were up by 30. If you want to be contrarian and think that's perfectly OK, go right ahead. I think it's total bullshit and someone (including that punkass Doc) should have been coldcocked. Rick Fox would have done it. He said so on the post game show.

If the Lakers did not like it, they should have committed a T or five. But, they did not. I did not like it (as a Laker fan seeing them drain threes and have slam dunks), but it's not their fault the Lakers played horrible and still allowed them to do whatever they want even in the final few minutes.

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I'm gonna break with consensus and say that the Lakers DESERVED all the threes being rained down on them, for the way they just rolled over and died. If I were Ray Allen, I'd do it too.

I think that is what the consensus is or should be. They played horrible and deserved to lose, big time.

Deserved? Yes. Classless? Absolutely! That punk Eddie House tossing up 3's with less than 2 min to play...gimme a break. If they can dump gatorade on their coach with 3 minutes to play, they have no business embarassing the other team any further. There is NO class in that, and I'd feel that way if the scenario was reversed. Alley-opps when you're up by 35 and time winding down? Come on...you either don't mind a lack of class or you don't understand that the Celtic players were proverbially spitting in the Laker players' faces.

Like Sasha shooting a three. Lakers played horrible and it's their own fault they are down by 35. Maybe, teach them to play a little harder.
Sasha shot ONE 3, at the buzzer. The A-Hole Celtics shot at least 10 after they were up by 30. If you want to be contrarian and think that's perfectly OK, go right ahead. I think it's total bullshit and someone (including that punkass Doc) should have been coldcocked. Rick Fox would have done it. He said so on the post game show.

If the Lakers did not like it, they should have committed a T or five. But, they did not. I did not like it (as a Laker fan seeing them drain threes and have slam dunks), but it's not their fault the Lakers played horrible and still allowed them to do whatever they want even in the final few minutes.
On that we can agree. That's probably why I was so over-the-top livid last night, is they didn't do anything about it.

Well, I had a feeling that the Celtics were going to win this game. But, by the amount and way they manhandled us will be remembered for a long time. Hopefully, that enforces the teams resolves from the FO to the players that there is work that needs to be done.

Obviously, this is not the way you want to go out. Time for the entire organiztion to lick their wounds and then regroup and make the changes emotionally and personnel wise to move forward.

The Celtics were the better team. They were hungrier and more determined. They kept their focus, while the Lakers lost theirs and seemed to fall apart at the most important time.

Sure, you can look back and wonder "what if?"

What if the team made it all the way back from that lead they seemed to have erased in game 2, only to fall just short of pulling that game out?

What if the team wins game 4 (that will be the one that stays with this team for the ages) instead of squandering that lead and losing?

You can go on and on. But the fact of the matter is that the Celts outplayed, out defensed and out hustled the Lakers and exposed their weeknesses. And, they were out coached.

And, going into the championship series, that was an area very few people predicted that was going to happen.

As far as who to trade, get, etc. Changes have to (and hopefully, will) be made.

Finding a very good second option offensively will be one area. Players like Odom and Gasol will not be that option. Will Bynum? As much as I'd like to think so, to count on that would be a mistake IMO.

Gasol and Odom are the same player height wise and both are sporadic both offensively and more important, defensively. One of the two has to go. And, I am thinking Odom is the one. I do like Lamar as far as a teammate goes and he does give the Lakers a unique option when paired with a big 4 or 5. But with Bynum (crosses fingers), I feel we need a scorer/defensive minded player at the 3.

They're players out there that will be available to fit that bill. Question is, will we be able to find that player to come to the team?

I can't see Baron Davis, Artest, etc. being that player (as far as being able to acquire). Besides being priced out of offering them the $ they would garner if they magically appeared on the FA market, the chances that a division rival like GS or Sacto handing one of those two to us in a trade, sign and trade (etc) just will not occur IMO.

Trade Kobe? That will not happen. This team will be built around him and not without him. Unless the dude goes cuckoo for cocoa puffs like he did last summer and demands to be dealt (or if they know he is opting out 100% after '09), Kobe is a Laker for life.

Vlade needs to be gone (unless he comes off the bench and is that instant offense scorer). Then again, we have Sasha for that (he should be re-upped IMO, as should Turiaf). Walton just doesn't impress me that much with those basketball smarts that the media claims he has. DFish should not be counted on for much (besides his grittiness on the court). Farmar should be getting more minutes next year (unless another player slots ahead of him).

Get some defensive minded players, some players that are bangers in the post and a second consistent scoring option (all of this currently not on this roster) that we can depend on to take the pressure off Kobe, and we will be looking pretty for a nice run.

We had the chance to win a championship this year. We blew it. The team is not promised to be back there next year or in the future. That should not sit well with everyone in the organization and hopefully, makes them more determined to get back there.

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Sure, you can look back and wonder "what if?"

What if the team made it all the way back from that lead they seemed to have erased in game 2, only to fall just short of pulling that game out?

What if the team wins game 4 (that will be the one that stays with this team for the ages) instead of squandering that lead and losing?

You can go on and on. But the fact of the matter is that the Celts outplayed, out defensed and out hustled the Lakers and exposed their weeknesses. And, they were out coached.



I agree. What if does not make any sense here. The Celtics clearly deserved to win and the Lakers did not. The better team won. The better team actually dominated the series.

The Lakers are wimps. I've never seen a team just give up and cower. Its like a boxer who was taking punches left and right and all he did was take the punches. The Lakers deserved to lose this series and what it more importantly means is that finesse doesn't win championships. Men who scrap for the ball do. We never saw fire from this team in the finals. The Lakers need to address the defensive issue. Lamar proved that his style of play doesn't fit with the Lakers. The Lakers need someone like Artest, Marion or even Battier. Just throwing names out there. You can count on the Lakers trading Lamar for someone like Marion who is tougher on the defensive end, or Ron Artest coming to the Lakers. He would be a great addition to this team, but it seems as though he's not going to opt out of his contract, too bad. When Bynum is going to come back, the defense in the paint will be solved as Bynum proved to be a legit stopper in the paint and a rebound man like Shaq used to be in his days with the Lakers, but that's also assuming he gets back into shape pre-injury status (crossing fingers). If the lakers end up with the same roster heading into October, the Lakers will not win the Finals. They need better defense and someone who is going to go in there a day in and day out and will play consistently. Don't know who that is, but until the Lakers do that, they won't win a championship. The point was proven.

Time to get to work Mitch.

I wouldn't mind trading Odom for B Diddy, he'd give us 2 big guards, I would let Ariza get heavy minutes in that lineup because of his athleticism and Baron's 3 pt ability we'd still be able to stretch the court. Phil loves big guards and Baron is an LA guy, the more I think about it, the more I like it. Nellie would love Odom's versatility as well. We shall see, we don't need a big overhaul, but a move of Odom is probably in the cards. I'd do it for Redd too.

Once again, i just can't see GS trading us Baron. Nor for that matter, Sacto handing us Artest.

Actually, either would be a great addition. I'd prefer personally getting Artest (he can opt out, although reports say he is planning on staying) and a lights out shooter/scorer for the 3 at the expense of Odom. I think Odom is a great guy and he is one of the good guys IMO.

If Bynum comes back healthy (that really is the key), I just don't think that 2 of the 3 front court starters can be finesse players. It obviously didn't work w/o Bynum and to bank on it working next year is probably a mistake.

A blurb in one of today's fishwraps mentioned that same exact need (for a shooter) and the name Mike Miller (from Memphis) came up. He is the type of scorer that would spread the opponents defense out and create more opportunities.

Too bad that the rest of the NBA would really scream if we were able to pry him away from the Griz. Gasol was bad enough. Imagine stealing Miller away for loose change?

I think Sasha will be wined and dined by other teams and offered probably more than the Lakers will want to pay (see Walton, Luke for a reason to not do this). Maybe a sign and trade with the team (maybe Memphis/Sacto?)that really wants him will bring us a missing piece of the puzzle.

Ron Artest and Mike Miller (at the expense of Odom and Sasha) would be a HUGE step forward. That would bring us the defensive grittiness in Artest and the shooter in Miller (Artest isn't a bad option either on offense).

Should be an interesting summer in Lakerland.

Speaking of forwards, two small forwards that don't really fit with this scheme are Walton and Vlad. I just don't think there are teams out there that would want to trade for either (mainly due to the $ involved, unless we take bad an equally bad contract back).

This team is really close to being a powerhouse with a few key moves. I am just not that optimistic that all of the above (or other ideas mentioned previously by others) can be made into reality.

Well, it looks like Lamar ain't comin back to the Lakas...rotoworld.com is saying that the Lakers aren't going to extend his contract and I read the article from the LA times that spoke on that as well. So, it seems that Phil is trying to get a small forward who can shot consistently someone like Mike Miller. So, look for the Lakers to try to get him, or someone else. I really can't think of anyone.

Ideas?

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Well, it looks like Lamar ain't comin back to the Lakas...rotoworld.com is saying that the Lakers aren't going to extend his contract and I read the article from the LA times that spoke on that as well. So, it seems that Phil is trying to get a small forward who can shot consistently someone like Mike Miller. So, look for the Lakers to try to get him, or someone else. I really can't think of anyone.

Ideas?

Well, Lamar still has one more year, so they don't have to extend him and they don't have to trade him in the offseason. I think if they can get someone they really like (maybe Miller, but I don't think he is worth Lamar) they might make a move this offseason. Or, they could hold Lamar and then use him like they used Kwame Brown and trade him during the season (a huge expiring contract). I think Lamar will be gone, it just depends when.