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This is almost beyond belief. In my opinion, this is worse than taking steroids or betting on your team to win. The only thing worse I can think of offhand was the 1919 Black Sox scandal.
The guy would have to be completely amoral. If it's true, I wonder if we'll ever find out who reciprocated with him. -
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CommentAuthorgrabarkewitz
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Willie:
This is almost beyond belief. In my opinion, this is worse than taking steroids or betting on your team to win. The only thing worse I can think of offhand was the 1919 Black Sox scandal.
The guy would have to be completely amoral. If it's true, I wonder if we'll ever find out who reciprocated with him.If this is true, I have to think that his future with the Yankees is all but over. This is beyond the Black Sox scandal - those guys had reasons to go to the gamblers. Comiskey was a cheap, immoral sack of garbage. I would go to gamblers to augment my salary, also.
But, ARod is getting paid. The only thing I can see is that he is so full of himself that he doesn't care. If this stuff keeps up, no one will want the fool.
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CommentAuthorBabe Herman
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Unbelievable, as in I pray this isn't true. I have no love for A-Rod, but this affects the game on so many levels. I'm going to try to reserve judgment, but it's difficult. A-Rod is such a selfish person, I can see that it could be true. Evidently former team mates think the same way.
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Doubt it. The Rangers seem to have admitted that he was their sign transmitter for the defense. The accusation is that he did it too early according to Roberts. Leading to speculation that he was doing it for the batters benefit.
Her entire book aside from the steroid accusations as a Ranger is based completely on speculation and conjecture, IMO.
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CommentAuthorBluePastorKyle
- CommentTimeMay 3rd 2009
What are you guys talking about? Do you have a link?
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CommentAuthorWickedCurves
- CommentTimeMay 3rd 2009 edited
BluePastorKyle:
What are you guys talking about? Do you have a link?
Selena Roberts has a new book that says A-Rod tipped pitches in lopsided games where the outcome wouldn't be affected, but would boost other people's BAs. He hoped that other players would do the same for him, so he could inflate his stats. Here's an interview with Roberts where she discusses it with SI: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/mlb/04/30/roberts.qa/index.html?eref=si_topstories
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CommentAuthorWickedCurves
- CommentTimeMay 3rd 2009
Oh and here's the NY Daily News article: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2009/04/29/2009-04-29_arod_on_roids_for_years_new_book_claims_juiced_with_yanks__even_as_a_teen_source.html
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CommentAuthorBabe Herman
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kensai:
Doubt it. The Rangers seem to have admitted that he was their sign transmitter for the defense. The accusation is that he did it too early according to Roberts. Leading to speculation that he was doing it for the batters benefit.
Her entire book aside from the steroid accusations as a Ranger is based completely on speculation and conjecture, IMO.
Unfortunately, at first, most everybody said the steroid accusations were based completely on speculation and conjecture. I hope you're right, though.
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I heard Tori Hunter discussing this on XM Friday and he believes it is totally fabricated. In fact, he said if anybody tipped their own pitchers signs to the opposing batters, he would get a "knuckle sandwich". Rob Dibble interjected that the dude would have his arms and legs broken.
What was A-Rod's supposed motivation to do this? To think he would jeopardize his career in the hopes that some opposing middle infielder would reciprocate this dastardly act in A-Rod's favor, is beyond ludicrous. Personally, I believe it is total BS and Ms. Roberts credibility is the only thing in question here.
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CommentAuthorBabe Herman
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SamAdams:
I heard Tori Hunter discussing this on XM Friday and he believes it is totally fabricated. In fact, he said if anybody tipped their own pitchers signs to the opposing batters, he would get a "knuckle sandwich". Rob Dibble interjected that the dude would have his arms and legs broken.
What was A-Rod's supposed motivation to do this? Personally, I believe it is total BS and Ms. Roberts credibility is the only thing in question here.
Jeff Brantley and Michael Young also dismissed the accusations as ridiculous.
"I know, everybody funny, now you funny too."
I tend not to believe Ms. Roberts accusations, but there have been far too many incredible accusations proved correct in the past few years with regards to MLB players. -
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Babe Herman:
kensai:
Doubt it. The Rangers seem to have admitted that he was their sign transmitter for the defense. The accusation is that he did it too early according to Roberts. Leading to speculation that he was doing it for the batters benefit.
Her entire book aside from the steroid accusations as a Ranger is based completely on speculation and conjecture, IMO.
Unfortunately, at first, most everybody said the steroid accusations were based completely on speculation and conjecture. I hope you're right, though.
Right, and if she had anything more, she would have wrote about it, but it doesn't seem she does.
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CommentAuthorBluePastorKyle
- CommentTimeMay 3rd 2009
WickedCurves:
BluePastorKyle:
What are you guys talking about? Do you have a link?
Selena Roberts has a new book that says A-Rod tipped pitches in lopsided games where the outcome wouldn't be affected, but would boost other people's BAs. He hoped that other players would do the same for him, so he could inflate his stats. Here's an interview with Roberts where she discusses it with SI: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/mlb/04/30/roberts.qa/index.html?eref=si_topstories
Thanks Tammy. Reading it now...
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CommentAuthorBabe Herman
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kensai:
Babe Herman:
kensai:
Doubt it. The Rangers seem to have admitted that he was their sign transmitter for the defense. The accusation is that he did it too early according to Roberts. Leading to speculation that he was doing it for the batters benefit.
Her entire book aside from the steroid accusations as a Ranger is based completely on speculation and conjecture, IMO.
Unfortunately, at first, most everybody said the steroid accusations were based completely on speculation and conjecture. I hope you're right, though.
Right, and if she had anything more, she would have wrote about it, but it doesn't seem she does.
WTF are you talking about? These accusations are in her book that's coming out tomorrow, so it seems she did write about them. Try to keep up.
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CommentAuthorBluePastorKyle
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Boy, that just sounds like total crap. This woman is making a killing off A-Rod's idiocy is other matters, and she's enjoying it, IMO. I watched some of the interview with her and Costas today in MLBN. She was like a politician with some of his more hard-hitting questions.
I'm no A-Rod fan, but this allegation seems easy to prove. Since about 15 years ago, most every MLB game has had at least 4 cameras for local broadcasts. For some, there are 8-10 cameras. And for national telecasts, there are more like 15. All one has to do is watch the blowouts. There'll be a camera on him at some angle with just about every pitch.
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Babe Herman:
kensai:
Babe Herman:
kensai:
Doubt it. The Rangers seem to have admitted that he was their sign transmitter for the defense. The accusation is that he did it too early according to Roberts. Leading to speculation that he was doing it for the batters benefit.
Her entire book aside from the steroid accusations as a Ranger is based completely on speculation and conjecture, IMO.
Unfortunately, at first, most everybody said the steroid accusations were based completely on speculation and conjecture. I hope you're right, though.
Right, and if she had anything more, she would have wrote about it, but it doesn't seem she does.
WTF are you talking about? These accusations are in her book that's coming out tomorrow, so it seems she did write about them. Try to keep up.
What do you mean? I know that. She's just been doing interviews all over the place. By all of her indications, she doesn't have any more evidence than the small group of the disgruntled Rangers clubhouse. Just like she has no hard evidence of his usage in New York or high school.
Therefore, i'm saying that unlike her steroid accusations, where she has real evidence, all she really has on the other stuff she writes about is speculation. So there's quite a difference.
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CommentAuthorBabe Herman
- CommentTimeMay 4th 2009
kensai:
Babe Herman:
kensai:
Babe Herman:
kensai:
Doubt it. The Rangers seem to have admitted that he was their sign transmitter for the defense. The accusation is that he did it too early according to Roberts. Leading to speculation that he was doing it for the batters benefit.
Her entire book aside from the steroid accusations as a Ranger is based completely on speculation and conjecture, IMO.
Unfortunately, at first, most everybody said the steroid accusations were based completely on speculation and conjecture. I hope you're right, though.
Right, and if she had anything more, she would have wrote about it, but it doesn't seem she does.
WTF are you talking about? These accusations are in her book that's coming out tomorrow, so it seems she did write about them. Try to keep up.
What do you mean? I know that. She's just been doing interviews all over the place. By all of her indications, she doesn't have any more evidence than the small group of the disgruntled Rangers clubhouse. Just like she has no hard evidence of his usage in New York or high school.
Therefore, i'm saying that unlike her steroid accusations, where she has real evidence, all she really has on the other stuff she writes about is speculation. So there's quite a difference.
I'm just going by what you wrote in your post:
"I know, everybody funny, now you funny too."
Right, and if she had anything more, she would have wrote about it, but it doesn't seem she does.
How was I to interpret that? I read it at face value, I'm not a mind reader.
How do you know she is just speculating? Have you read the book? I saw her interview with Bob Costas last night, and she has sources, though unnamed. Most accusations of wrong doing are made by somebody who is disgruntled. Doesn't make them any more or less true.
When Ms. Roberts accusations of A-Rod's steroid use came out in SI, a lot of people were callling BS. I'm hoping these accusations of A-Rod tipping pitches are BS. In light of how past incredible accusations have been proven true, maybe we shouldn't be so fast to be calling them such. -
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CommentAuthorMike Scioscias tragic illness
- CommentTimeMay 4th 2009
The more I hear about this book, the less I like it - and I HATE to defend A-Rod.
Read this:
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/story/1175681.html
Her conduct during the Duke lacrosse "rape" case is nothing to be proud of, and it sure sounds like she doesn't have a lot of proof.
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CommentAuthorgrabarkewitz
- CommentTimeMay 4th 2009
Mike Scioscias tragic illness:
The more I hear about this book, the less I like it - and I HATE to defend A-Rod.
Read this:
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/story/1175681.html
Her conduct during the Duke lacrosse "rape" case is nothing to be proud of, and it sure sounds like she doesn't have a lot of proof.
I also hate to defend ARod, but I doubt that he would get a pass from his teammates for tipping pitches. Her proof seems to be that mysterious un-named source. Yes, she was right about the steroid thing, but I hope she is wrong about the pitch tipping. Because if it is true, I doubt that ARod is the first person under the sun to pull that stunt. Kind of takes the childlike joy of watching baseball and puts it in the gutter. Hell, it is one thing to tank like the SOD, but quite another to make every effort for your team to lose while propping up your own numbers. God, I hope this is nothing more than an aggressive reporter with a grudge.
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Babe Herman:
kensai:
Babe Herman:
kensai:
Babe Herman:
kensai:
Doubt it. The Rangers seem to have admitted that he was their sign transmitter for the defense. The accusation is that he did it too early according to Roberts. Leading to speculation that he was doing it for the batters benefit.
Her entire book aside from the steroid accusations as a Ranger is based completely on speculation and conjecture, IMO.
Unfortunately, at first, most everybody said the steroid accusations were based completely on speculation and conjecture. I hope you're right, though.
Right, and if she had anything more, she would have wrote about it, but it doesn't seem she does.
WTF are you talking about? These accusations are in her book that's coming out tomorrow, so it seems she did write about them. Try to keep up.
What do you mean? I know that. She's just been doing interviews all over the place. By all of her indications, she doesn't have any more evidence than the small group of the disgruntled Rangers clubhouse. Just like she has no hard evidence of his usage in New York or high school.
Therefore, i'm saying that unlike her steroid accusations, where she has real evidence, all she really has on the other stuff she writes about is speculation. So there's quite a difference.
I'm just going by what you wrote in your post:
Right, and if she had anything more, she would have wrote about it, but it doesn't seem she does.
How was I to interpret that? I read it at face value, I'm not a mind reader.
How do you know she is just speculating? Have you read the book? I saw her interview with Bob Costas last night, and she has sources, though unnamed. Most accusations of wrong doing are made by somebody who is disgruntled. Doesn't make them any more or less true.
When Ms. Roberts accusations of A-Rod's steroid use came out in SI, a lot of people were callling BS. I'm hoping these accusations of A-Rod tipping pitches are BS. In light of how past incredible accusations have been proven true, maybe we shouldn't be so fast to be calling them such.Because people who have read the book have come out to say the exact same thing about it being general speculation. She, herself, has not come out and provided anymore details in any of the interviews either. She has no other information.
It could be true, but it's not in this book.
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"In its news story about her book, The New York Times failed to allude to her position on the Duke lacrosse case. I’ll give the Times credit for including one sentence of clarification in its news story:
“Some of the accusations in the book are based on anonymous sources, and others are simply presented as knowledge the author has without an explanation of how the information was obtained.”
Translation: the majority of the stuff written in her book is information the National Enquirer might reject."
Pretty much.
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CommentAuthorBabe Herman
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kensai:
"In its news story about her book, The New York Times failed to allude to her position on the Duke lacrosse case. I’ll give the Times credit for including one sentence of clarification in its news story:
“Some of the accusations in the book are based on anonymous sources, and others are simply presented as knowledge the author has without an explanation of how the information was obtained.”
Translation: the majority of the stuff written in her book is information the National Enquirer might reject."
Pretty much.
I haven't been saying that I believe A-Rod tipped pitches. I really hope that he didn't. There's just been so much crap come out in the last several years, and we've all said "No way!", and then it's turned out to be true. It seems like 90% of what Canseco wrote in his first book has been corroborated, and who believed a word of it when it came out? I think in this case, unless a player comes forward and says "Yes, A-Rod and I tipped pitches to each other", there's not much that can really come from the accusations. On the other hand, what sucks for A-Rod is he can't really prove that he's innocent.
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Word. It's impossible to prove himself innocent.
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...guilty until proven innocent?
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CommentAuthorBabe Herman
- CommentTimeMay 5th 2009
SamAdams:
...guilty until proven innocent?
Yep, in the court of public opinion.
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